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Q: problem connecting macs over the network

I have 3 Macs which I need to connect together for file sharing, one is a Mac Mini, second is a Macbook Pro, third is an iMac 27", on each one I have one particular folder in the Favourites list in the Finder pane, if I click on the folder it will open it. About 3 months ago the iMac became unable to link to the MM, I can still link between the MBP and the iMac but only by clicking on the iMac icon in the Finder window under 'Shared' then selecting 'Connect As" & entering the iMac password, that's ok as a workaround although clumsy, however the iMac still can't be linked to the MM by doing that.

 

I have tried re-setting the network by turning the router on & off but it doesn't help. Could there be some issue with the iMac which is causing this to happen? I should say that the MBP is running El Capitan and the other two are Yosemite (there is a reason), however it's been that way for a while and the iMac used to connect fine to the MM.

 

Thanks

MacBook Pro with Retina display, OS X El Capitan (10.11.6), 2.5GHz, 512GB SSD, 16GB RAM,

Posted on Sep 10, 2016 2:05 AM

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  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Sep 10, 2016 9:44 AM in response to cadplan45
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    Sep 10, 2016 9:44 AM in response to cadplan45

    How about Finder>Go Menu>Connect to Server>Browse… does it show there & connect?

  • by cadplan45,

    cadplan45 cadplan45 Sep 11, 2016 4:01 AM in response to cadplan45
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    Sep 11, 2016 4:01 AM in response to cadplan45

    thanks for the reply, I'm fairly sure that I've tried that before by using the CMD/K shortcut but it didn't work. It's the same really as selecting the device in 'Shared'  in the Finder window as you still need to enter the password.

  • by tygb ,

    tygb tygb Sep 11, 2016 6:16 AM in response to cadplan45
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    Sep 11, 2016 6:16 AM in response to cadplan45

    Hello !

                Make sure firewall is turned off if sharing of files is done with computers on same network .

    Suggested apple article : OS X El Capitan: Share your files with other Mac users

    Thanks !

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Sep 11, 2016 7:12 AM in response to tygb
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    Sep 11, 2016 7:12 AM in response to tygb

    tygb, that is incorrect.

    The OS X firewall knows what services are running, when you enable file sharing it will open the required ports so that the firewall is not blocking them. OS X is smart enough to know that sharing would not work with blocked ports.

     

    If you want to test, enable file sharing & the firewall. View the Firewall options, it will list File sharing as 'allow incoming connections'.

     

     

    cadplan45, if I understand correctly is it just the favourite in Finder that fails? Have you tried removing the favourite from the Finder sidebar then reconnect to the share & re-add the shared item to the sidebar? Reboot to see if that worked.

     

    Another possibility…

    Favourite network shares will use a saved password to make the process quick (if you saved it to the keychain), are you sure the correct one is saved within Keychain Access.

  • by tygb ,

    tygb tygb Sep 11, 2016 8:11 AM in response to Drew Reece
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    Sep 11, 2016 8:11 AM in response to Drew Reece

    Hello !

                Drew yes you were correct firewall should be enabled . i opened in my system as i have blocked incoming connection , enabled stealth mode that was the reason when i checked the box enable file sharing it was showing red dot .

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Sep 11, 2016 9:34 AM in response to tygb
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    Sep 11, 2016 9:34 AM in response to tygb

    There is probably no reason for stealth mode or even enabling the Firewall on a secure network. Most routers protect you from attacks over the internet, only machines on the local network could attempt to access the ports.

     

    The weakest link may just be your user account passwords if any form of sharing is enabled.

  • by tygb ,

    tygb tygb Sep 11, 2016 9:53 AM in response to Drew Reece
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    Sep 11, 2016 9:53 AM in response to Drew Reece

    Most routers will not protect on network if the person has never enabled password for that router and enabled firewall in modem .

    i once , had the issue and never enabled password and checked the box of firewall in service provider modem , when i opened air port utility , DNS server settings were changing frequently and they were pinging on modem .

     

    Stealth mode hides the system on network it wears a tin foil hat,  and no one can access the system from network by test applications using ICMP, such as ping .

     

    So , if the person ones good security on network can enable stealth mode + block all incoming connections .

    Suggested article : OS X: About the application firewall - Apple Support

     

    Its just informative and is not concerned with the original post .

     

    Regards ,

                     Thanks !

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Sep 11, 2016 10:42 AM in response to tygb
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    Sep 11, 2016 10:42 AM in response to tygb

    I think you will find that most home routers have the firewall enabled by default & reject external access to sharing services like SMB, AFP & other file sharing services by virtue of the fact that they also run NAT. Routers also have default passwords, which are a weakness, however many do not open the admin interface to the internet & also instruct users to create a new one on setup.

     

    You either have either terrible routers or are setting them up badly if the default is 'firewall off'.

     

    Stealth mode is also useless when your Mac already uses Bonjour to announce the services it shares via broadcast on the local network - anyone with a clue can see what you services have enabled without using ping. The article you linked also says the services 'will still respond' for aotorised apps.

     

    If you want to test your 'hypothesis'…

    In Terminal on 'Mac B' (browse for ssh servers via dns-sd).

    dns-sd -B _ssh

     

    On 'Mac A' enable 'remote login' (a.k.a ssh) in sharing when your firewall is active & 'stealthed'.

    Mac B will see the service announcement over the network.

     

    You can also use Bonjour browser or other tools to see the advertised services.

     

    Blocking ALL incoming connections will render the Mac unusable for most networking & is a common reason many novice Mac users end up asking for help here - it is bad advice to enable it & to expect users to know why networking fails.

     

    Keep your tin foil hat ideas to yourself, they do little for actual security.

  • by cadplan45,

    cadplan45 cadplan45 Sep 12, 2016 1:37 AM in response to tygb
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    Sep 12, 2016 1:37 AM in response to tygb

    yes Firewall is off

  • by cadplan45,

    cadplan45 cadplan45 Sep 12, 2016 1:39 AM in response to cadplan45
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    Sep 12, 2016 1:39 AM in response to cadplan45

    I'm beginning to think that it's software or hardware issue with the iMac but have no idea how to single it out.

  • by tygb ,

    tygb tygb Sep 12, 2016 2:36 AM in response to cadplan45
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    Sep 12, 2016 2:36 AM in response to cadplan45

    Please disable file vault , in system preferences - security and privacy turn off fire wall , in case stealth mode , block all incoming is enabled , please uncheck the boxes in computers that are to be shared .

     

    As if these options are checked , it will not allow to do file sharing between computers .

     

    A screen shot will explain :

    Screen Shot 2016-09-12 at 3.05.37 PM.png

  • by cadplan45,

    cadplan45 cadplan45 Sep 12, 2016 8:31 AM in response to tygb
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    Sep 12, 2016 8:31 AM in response to tygb

    Thanks but Firewall is off on all

  • by tygb ,

    tygb tygb Sep 12, 2016 10:26 AM in response to cadplan45
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    Sep 12, 2016 10:26 AM in response to cadplan45

    So , did you get  some results please post .

  • by cadplan45,

    cadplan45 cadplan45 Sep 12, 2016 10:32 AM in response to tygb
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    Sep 12, 2016 10:32 AM in response to tygb

    Yes the results are the same. I can connect the MBP to the iMac by the "connect as' route the iMac will also connect to the MBR the same way, the MBP connects with the Mac Mini normally & vice-versa, it's just that the iMac will not connect to the MM any way

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