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Q: Best workflow between Photos and Lightroom

I have visited the question of digital workflows several times over the years and Aperture was probably the best answer, alas. Now that we are stuck with the vastly inferior Photos I have to reconcile the desire to snap on my iPhone and to take serious photographs, usually on my travels. So I have devised a workflow to integrate both activities and use my iPhone/iPad as my 'show' tools. The problem is that it is rather cumbersome. So I'm sharing it below in the hope that other users will comment and perhaps suggest a better one... Here we go:

 

  1. Import memory cards to computer, rename the shoot/import into Lightroom 6
  2. Do a quick cull of iPhone photos (say for a given trip), then import into Photos then export to desktop, then import into Lightroom 6
  3. Do all the editing and key-wording in Lightroom
  4. Select the 'keepers', mark them for export. Select the iPhone photos that have not been edited (i.e. just renamed/key-worded) and prepare to export them separately as originals because Lightroom creates much larger jpgs than the original
  5. Export jpgs to computer for the majority or photos + originals iPhone pictures (they will have new names, meta-data, etc.)
  6. Remove originals from Photos
  7. Import the whole set into Photos
  8. Run face recognition
  9. Synch back to iPhone/iPad normally

 

Any idea on how to simplify/improve on this?

 

Thanks!

Posted on Sep 10, 2016 4:38 AM

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  • by 1900CheckCheck,Helpful

    1900CheckCheck 1900CheckCheck Sep 11, 2016 8:04 AM in response to Moscool
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    Sep 11, 2016 8:04 AM in response to Moscool

    Yes!! This is my life too. And what a life it is! Thank you for posting and verbalizing the problem/process. It seems not understood by Apple/Adobe. Are we missing something?

  • by LarryHN,

    LarryHN LarryHN Sep 11, 2016 8:22 AM in response to 1900CheckCheck
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    Sep 11, 2016 8:22 AM in response to 1900CheckCheck

    Yes - What you are missing is that both LR and Photos do exactly the same job in different, mutually exclusive ways - there is no possible work flow combining them - all you can do is export from one and import into the other which is what the OP is doing

     

    LN

  • by Moscool,

    Moscool Moscool Sep 11, 2016 9:41 AM in response to LarryHN
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    Sep 11, 2016 9:41 AM in response to LarryHN

    You're right Larry, but this hasn't been helped by at least two facts:

     

    - Photos removing iPhoto's ease of use and useful features; for example 'show in finder'. Much faster to identify and select pictures then import them into LR. Saves the step of exporting first

    - Adobe's confusing cloud library and distinctions between CC and LR6 means you can't use that as your iOS show library

  • by LarryHN,

    LarryHN LarryHN Sep 11, 2016 10:16 AM in response to Moscool
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    Sep 11, 2016 10:16 AM in response to Moscool

    For many reasons "show in finder" simply can not be offered - with Photos there is no guarantee that there is a file to show in the finder even available so the only way to get what you want is to use Photos to get it - this is on top of the issues often created by users moving or changing the files in the library  once they access them Library corruption and causing data loss -

     

     

    And then most people find Photos as easy or easier to use than iPhoto - maybe you simply need some assistance - what specific ease of use issues do you see with Photos vs iPhoto?

     

    LN

  • by Moscool,

    Moscool Moscool Sep 11, 2016 10:32 AM in response to LarryHN
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    Sep 11, 2016 10:32 AM in response to LarryHN

    Yes, I get the file integrity value to hide the files in the 'package', it just adds to the workflow.

     

    Photos is still an annoyance IMO. For instance this idea to force pictures into timings/locations together, often with absurd names that you cannot change is vastly inferior to the old system of rolls where you could regroup action over a couple of days and give a meaningful name. It would be fine if it was a geolocation/time view but it's forced down your throat. Not nice.

     

    Of course this then gets us a bit off piste but I still don't understand why a company with the vast resources of Apple has done its best to sabotage its pro apps and to dumb down its iWork apps to the point where you can longer use them for 'advanced amateur' or 'small business' utilisation. We were told functionality would return as iOS versions matured - it hasn't been the case at all.

  • by LarryHN,Helpful

    LarryHN LarryHN Sep 11, 2016 11:19 AM in response to Moscool
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    Sep 11, 2016 11:19 AM in response to Moscool

    Photos is a new and different program and if you approach it assuming that it is iPhoto you will continue to be frustrated - it does have a learning curve and it does have different work flows - but as we all know different does not equate to inferior - in fact it often means things are improved

     

     

    Photos is still an annoyance IMO. For instance this idea to force pictures into timings/locations together, often with absurd names that you cannot change is vastly inferior to the old system of rolls where you could regroup action over a couple of days and give a meaningful name. It would be fine if it was a geolocation/time view but it's forced down your throat. Not nice.

    With Photos you do that using albums - selecting Photos and adding them to albums is pretty much identical to moving photos among events - if fact it may be quicker and easier - and Rolls have not been around for over eight years - they were last used in iPhoto 6 - events replaced Rolls in iPhoto '08 - in Photos moments replace events

     

    And you are not at all forces to use Moments any more than you were forces to use events - they are a default, automatic organization and if they do no suit you then you can use albums, smart albums and folders and build any organization you like  --  Personally I mush prefer Photos and moments/collections/years are much better than either rolls or events were - I no longer am forced to use albums since moments do what I like and need -

     

    Of course this then gets us a bit off piste but I still don't understand why a company with the vast resources of Apple has done its best to sabotage its pro apps and to dumb down its iWork apps to the point where you can longer use them for 'advanced amateur' or 'small business' utilisation. We were told functionality would return as iOS versions matured - it hasn't been the case at all.

    No one except Apple knows and speculation on their policies is not allowed here - but if you look at their business and see that they have built the largest company in the world and sell the most used camera in the world I think you will see that with Photos the integration of the iPhone, Mac and IOS devices is a major innovation (and does not benefit from Pro features - it is a giant consumer market and Apple does extremely well in it - even the advanced amateurs here love the integration - for example for me it makes life so much easier - on world wide trips I take my iPhone, iPad, a digital camera and a MBA and pretty much download photos to the MBA daily form teh camera and have it and the IOS devices on WiFi at night do they sync - then all of this syncs back to my large iMac at home and when I get home all of my photos are there and backed up and organized to the extent tha tI do organization while on the road - for me this a one giant improvement over bringing 2000 to 3000 photos home form a trip and spending weeks importing and organization them

     

    And while Photos is not and is not intended to be a pro program it comes closer to meeting pro needs than iPhoto ever did

     

    But  real pros they need pro software and Apple simply was not competitive with LR and other pro products so they dropped Aperture and enhanced Photos - and from the announcements it sounds like OS X Sierra will continue that path with many more enhancements

     

    LN

  • by Moscool,

    Moscool Moscool Sep 11, 2016 11:22 AM in response to LarryHN
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    Sep 11, 2016 11:22 AM in response to LarryHN

    Larry, you intrigue me... Thanks for the comprehensive answer. So two further questions then:

     

    1) Can you point me to a decent training programme for Photos. I started following the one on Lynda.com and it didn't get me very excited... I dropped out

     

    2) Can you describe your workflow in greater detail?  - You organise in Photos (both iOS and OSX) and then when you want to do proper RAW editing, how do you pull photos in/out of the system? How do you organise key-wording?

     

    Many thanks

  • by LarryHN,

    LarryHN LarryHN Sep 11, 2016 4:07 PM in response to Moscool
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    Sep 11, 2016 4:07 PM in response to Moscool

    As posted

     

    on world wide trips I take my iPhone, iPad, a digital camera and a MBA and pretty much download photos to the MBA daily form teh camera and have it and the IOS devices on WiFi at night do they sync - then all of this syncs back to my large iMac at home and when I get home all of my photos are there and backed up and organized to the extent tha tI do organization while on the road

    I am not shooting RAW at all but if I did it would be only with my camera which a download to the MBA daily and with ICPL any device I organize on syncs to all others - although generally I do that on the MBA  - and it all syncs back to My iMac at home (slowly sometimes but with 8 to 10 hours a night to run it does

     

    Very easy and efortless

     

    LN