Jonah Lee Walker

Q: No 5 Star Song Rating in iOS 10

What is going on? Did Apple really remove the 5 Star Song Rating from the Music App in iOS 10. I can only find Like and Dislike. Well I have been using iTunes since it was SoundJam, and have been rating my songs using the 5 Stars, and making various Playlists based on those. And I have always used Music on iOS to rate songs, but not having that really drives me insane. It seems to be Apple thinking they are smarter than everyone once again, but not being right! I am not going to go through my 40,000+ music Library and rerate my mysic so simply! I might as well move to Windows and Android and re-rate there! Seriously this is taking my main featute out of the music player! You have to be kidding me!

Posted on Sep 13, 2016 8:51 PM

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  • by InsiteFX,

    InsiteFX InsiteFX Sep 15, 2016 10:58 AM in response to InsiteFX
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    Sep 15, 2016 10:58 AM in response to InsiteFX

    and please bring also back the lyrics/text view

  • by Snaked,

    Snaked Snaked Sep 15, 2016 11:23 AM in response to Jonah Lee Walker
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    Sep 15, 2016 11:23 AM in response to Jonah Lee Walker

    This is ridiculous. I have submitted feedback. I'm in the process of trying to downgrade back to iOS 9.3.5, but this won't be an ideal solution because it's still going to download and pester me to update to 10 again.

  • by Happy Dad,

    Happy Dad Happy Dad Sep 15, 2016 11:47 AM in response to japi56
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    Sep 15, 2016 11:47 AM in response to japi56

    TThank you for suggesting Cesium. Looks tobe a good solution.

  • by bgussoni,

    bgussoni bgussoni Sep 15, 2016 1:01 PM in response to Jonah Lee Walker
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    Sep 15, 2016 1:01 PM in response to Jonah Lee Walker

    Been losing my mind over this for 3 days now.  Thank you.  Also submitted feedback.

  • by murf1952,

    murf1952 murf1952 Sep 15, 2016 4:56 PM in response to Happy Dad
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    Sep 15, 2016 4:56 PM in response to Happy Dad

    I cam up with something similar today.  I like your idea of the A! to move it to the top of the list.

  • by Happy Dad,

    Happy Dad Happy Dad Sep 15, 2016 6:18 PM in response to Jonah Lee Walker
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    Sep 15, 2016 6:18 PM in response to Jonah Lee Walker

    I had been playing with the Cesium music app all day today and I was really liking its simplicity.  However I just hit a major issue.  Supposedly, it syncs play counts and ratings through iCloud, but upon checking iTunes, none of today's activity has synced across.

     

    That's rots, as it looks like a great app but if the ratings are not syncing then it's not going to help this situation.  I have started a back and forth with the developer on some other points regarding ratings but I haven't heard back yet since I discovered the lack of sync.

     

    Can anyone else using Cesium confirm if theirs works for syncing tracks through iCloud, or are you manually syncing via a wifi or direct USB connection?

  • by pegaudet,

    pegaudet pegaudet Sep 15, 2016 6:36 PM in response to Dadasmithywinkle
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    Sep 15, 2016 6:36 PM in response to Dadasmithywinkle

    Like several here, I also left feedback showing my dislike for the lack of this un-feature.

     

    I don't know who's in charge of product design over there, but I swear, they keep effing up the design more and more, making it harder to use, uglier and more accident prone as time goes on.

     

    Am I one of the few people left standing and breathing who thinks we have degenerated to such mindless zombies, we can't even understand what a star rating is any more? You can't get any more basic than like/dislike, other than getting rid of even that and letting the great mighty GOD-like cloud service just ABSOLUTELY KNOW what you like by what you listen to and letting you listen to their crappy compressed version for a fee.

     

    If they keep it up at rate, in about 3 years, I'll be firmly planted in the android ecosystem with my own home made music player app.

  • by cassantos,

    cassantos cassantos Sep 15, 2016 6:51 PM in response to Jonah Lee Walker
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    Sep 15, 2016 6:51 PM in response to Jonah Lee Walker

    I feel like you said everything that I was thinking. I have a music library with about 40K songs that I've been meticulously rating and making smart playlist based of since 2005 and I'm really hoping that add the feature back asap!

  • by rockmyplimsoul,

    rockmyplimsoul rockmyplimsoul Sep 15, 2016 6:51 PM in response to Happy Dad
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    Sep 15, 2016 6:51 PM in response to Happy Dad

    Happy Dad wrote:

     

    I had been playing with the Cesium music app all day today and I was really liking its simplicity.  However I just hit a major issue.  Supposedly, it syncs play counts and ratings through iCloud, but upon checking iTunes, none of today's activity has synced across.

    I've been dabbling with another app, Marvis.  So far I can see that when I rate a song with it, or change a rating with it, going into the native Music app reflects the change I made in Marvis.  Now, I have not yet re-synced to iTunes but if the native Music app is showing the rating change I made in Marvis, I have to believe that will sync back to my library (will check tonight).

     

    I do not use Apple Music or iCloud Music Library, I sync to my Mac the old fashioned way.  So how these apps work with iCloud is unknown to me, so YMMV.

  • by Lost in Asia,

    Lost in Asia Lost in Asia Sep 15, 2016 9:19 PM in response to Happy Dad
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    Sep 15, 2016 9:19 PM in response to Happy Dad

    I had been playing with the Cesium music app all day today and I was really liking its simplicity.  However I just hit a major issue.  Supposedly, it syncs play counts and ratings through iCloud, but upon checking iTunes, none of today's activity has synced across.

    Has the iTunes / iPhone syncing been working for you lately anyway? Syncing of play counts and ratings on my iPhone have synced unpredictably, if at all, for a few years now. I was just traveling for a month and when I synced my iPhone to iTunes again, it recorded no new plays at all. And there was (is?) that bug where assigning a star rating to a song on my iPhone wound up applying the star rating to the whole album, not just the song.

     

    Don't get me wrong - iTunes should do the syncing you're talking about. But in my experience it often doesn't, so if Cesium doesn't either, I wouldn't consider it a huge loss. I've largely given up on my Play Counts and Most Recently Played data as having much meaning.

  • by Happy Dad,

    Happy Dad Happy Dad Sep 15, 2016 9:41 PM in response to Jonah Lee Walker
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    Sep 15, 2016 9:41 PM in response to Jonah Lee Walker

    I've been doing some testing with Cesium and this is what I have found.

     

    1. If iCloud is switched off and you sync your music via the computer it works beautifully and syncs play counts and ratings.
    2. If iCloud is switched on, then rating music in Cesium will not transfer through Music App (it uses the music app as a backend) into the cloud, so it does not sync to the computer.
    3. If iCloud is switched on, and you rate music in iTunes, then that rating will flow though the iCloud, though the Music App and appear in Cesium.

     

    I have a suspicion that Apple has only implemented one way syncing of play counts and ratings though iCloud with the iOS10 music app.  It can still receive ratings so that existing smart rating work, but because the app has no functionality to use the 5-star rating system, it looks like they did not bother to implement syncing back changes in the rating though the cloud.  If you test using the loved/dislike buttons then that syncs almost instantly across devices.

     

    As alternate music apps all use the Music App as their backend, this means that iCloud syncing of ratings may be broken in other apps as well.

     

    So, it looks like I will have to remain with the iCloud switched off for now and to continue to sync using wifi/wired connection to iTunes if I want the ability to rate music without having to do the rating playlist trick.

  • by Happy Dad,

    Happy Dad Happy Dad Sep 15, 2016 9:50 PM in response to Lost in Asia
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    Sep 15, 2016 9:50 PM in response to Lost in Asia

    Honestly, I think you are right as I had given up with iCloud Music in iOS9 as it keep on breaking my ratings and as you say it was inconsistent.  i was using wifi syncing previously.

     

    In iOS10, when I switched it back on and worked within the Apple Music app, syncs across devices what pretty much instantaneous (apart from the inability to rate music using the 5-stars).  It's a shame as there where quite a few things in the new Music app that I was beginning to like.

  • by sxc5678,

    sxc5678 sxc5678 Sep 15, 2016 10:57 PM in response to Happy Dad
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    Sep 15, 2016 10:57 PM in response to Happy Dad

    I concur that syncing with iTunes was getting ever less reliable - there were always some issues but introduction of the iCloud music library had definitely exacerbated them (I also switched that off and restored from iTunes after it made an absolute mess of my library).

     

    I suspect those syncing bugs may well be one of the reasons Apple removed the star rating feature; it felt easier than tackling the bugs...  This and the rumoured shift of their business model away from purchases in favour of streaming means the future may be rather bleak for people who value a personally curated library...

     

    *Everyone* who's hacked off by this needs to leave feedback now (only takes a minute).

  • by Paul Richards4,

    Paul Richards4 Paul Richards4 Sep 15, 2016 11:53 PM in response to Happy Dad
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    Sep 15, 2016 11:53 PM in response to Happy Dad

    That's a great workaround, but at the risk of sounding negative, it's a short term fix.

    It works with things as they are now, but relies on Apple putting the star ratings back into the iOS. The worry is that not only will they not do that, but they'll also remove star ratings from the next version of iTunes, and then we'll all be completely stuffed.

    All i can suggest is that we all adopt Happy Dad's great short term fix AND send feedback to apple.com/feedback demanding that star ratings are reinstated across the board.

  • by Olio,

    Olio Olio Sep 16, 2016 2:46 AM in response to Jonah Lee Walker
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    Sep 16, 2016 2:46 AM in response to Jonah Lee Walker

    I made my request to Apple at http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html for them to bring back 5-star ratings to the Music App.  Being able to tap to see and/or set a rating while listening to a track is a longstanding, extremely useful function.  It's a big mistake to get rid of it.  If I'd known, I wouldn't have upgraded.  I just spent the last two days rating a catalogue of new music I'd purchased for work, while listening, and couldn't have done it if I'd upgraded to iOS 10 already.  I was listening on headphones in a place I couldn't speak to Siri. Even if that hadn't been the case, talking to Siri interrupts a song, which is annoying (and doesn't always work), and you can't tap to see ratings, which I do regularly.

     

    Grrrr.

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