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Q: the recently deleted folder has stopped appearing when I delete photos

Hi,

I have el captain & have been sorting through my photo albums / folders in photos. Its been working ok - deleting some images & then the 'recently deleted' album appears & I can either delete them totally in there or leave them for the 30 days etc.  However tonight I deleted around 10 albums & the 'recently deleted' folder simply hasn't appeared.

 

nb. I have been using the command-delete system so it should have been working as before. 

 

Any ideas ?

 

thanks,

MacBook Pro, OS X El Capitan (10.11.6)

Posted on Sep 16, 2016 1:01 PM

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  • by gail from maine,

    gail from maine gail from maine Sep 16, 2016 1:09 PM in response to jshire
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    Sep 16, 2016 1:09 PM in response to jshire

    Deleting Albums only deletes the structure that was used to create the Album as you see it. There are no photos in Albums, just links to the photos you want to see in that album. If you want to delete the photos themselves, you must delete them in the Photos view at the very top of the sidebar.

     

    Cheers,

     

    GB

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Sep 16, 2016 1:12 PM in response to jshire
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    Sep 16, 2016 1:12 PM in response to jshire

    However tonight I deleted around 10 albums & the 'recently deleted' folder simply hasn't appeared.

    Just to be sure : Did you delete albums or the photos inside the albums?

    Deleted albums do not appear in Recently Deleted, only deleted photos will appear.

     

    I noticed in El Capitan, that it can take a moment for the Recently Deleted album to appear and to populate with the deleted photos.  The syncing with iCloud Photo Library seems to be very slow recently.

  • by jshire,

    jshire jshire Sep 16, 2016 1:20 PM in response to gail from maine
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    Sep 16, 2016 1:20 PM in response to gail from maine

    is this correct ? I think i've worked out what i've done wrong (more on that below) but as I understand it if you open an album & then command-delete the photos in there it will delete them - no ?   

     

    tbh. photos seems to have such a lot of really daft aspects to it - masters, copies, albums, photos view etc etc. I'm sure lots of folks would like to have a simple system where they can create albums & then if they want to delete some images from it its a one click process.

  • by jshire,

    jshire jshire Sep 16, 2016 1:23 PM in response to léonie
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    Sep 16, 2016 1:23 PM in response to léonie

    thanks - I realised that was what I had done right after posting the question !  typical.  So, now I have the problem that i've deleted the albums but obviously not the photos & there seems to be no way to restore the albums & do it properly by opening the album & command deleting the photos themselves. Do I really have to try to find each individual photo in the full 'photo view' ? if so that seems utterly daft ! I have about 80,000 images in the library & the photo view thing is far from accurate as to when photos are from etc. 

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Sep 16, 2016 1:25 PM in response to jshire
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    Sep 16, 2016 1:25 PM in response to jshire
    but as I understand it if you open an album & then command-delete the photos in there it will delete them - no ?  

    Yes, if you do not delete an album, but select the photos inside an album and use command-delete, they will be deleted from the library.

     

    But frequently we want to be able to delete an album, but keep the photos in the library. After all, palbums are just ways to group the photos for easy access, and the same phot may be in many albums, depending on the purpose, and then we want to the photos to stay in the other albums.

  • by jshire,

    jshire jshire Sep 16, 2016 1:32 PM in response to léonie
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    Sep 16, 2016 1:32 PM in response to léonie

    sure, but it should also be much easier to actually delete images to regain space on ones hard drive.  Anyway, if anyone has any ideas about what I can do now ?  It will be almost impossible for me to go through photo view & find all the photos I wanted to delete. Is there no way to recover the albums ?

     

    Here's the really daft this about this: I'm doing this to free up space for when I give this macbook to a family member. So I could delete all the photos from photo view & then re-import any photos that they would also want - what a faff & it'll take weeks to go through every album to work that out. I understand that photo view is where the photos actually are but photo / el captain does not order them correctly - the dates are wrong, it bunches them into sets that are from different imports, names them in really odd ways (locations that aren't correct etc).

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Sep 16, 2016 1:35 PM in response to jshire
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    Sep 16, 2016 1:35 PM in response to jshire

    Do you have a tIme Machine backup from the time before you deleted the albums? Then you could restore the library as it has been.

  • by gail from maine,

    gail from maine gail from maine Sep 16, 2016 3:37 PM in response to léonie
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    Sep 16, 2016 3:37 PM in response to léonie

    Another new lesson, léonie! So:

     

    Delete photos from the Album but not the Library: Click on Album, select All for photos in that album, press Delete key (View = Select Album from Sidebar)

     

    Delete photos from Library via the Album: Click on Album, select All for photos in that album, press Command + Delete key (View = Select Album from Sidebar)

     

    Delete the Album itself plus any photos in it from the Library: Go to Albums view, select Album, press Command + Delete (View = Select Album from Albums view)

     

    Is that correct?

     

    Thanks,

     

    GB

  • by jshire,

    jshire jshire Sep 16, 2016 3:43 PM in response to gail from maine
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    Sep 16, 2016 3:43 PM in response to gail from maine

    ok - so, here's the thing & believe me i've searched for months for various issues with photos & it seems tons of folks have this same problem / frustration.

     

    so, I have spent a couple of hours going into the albums & selecting all the photos then command-delete & then also deleted them from the 'recently deleted' folder - around 13,000 photos & perhaps 50gb or more - but only 2gb of extra space has appeared on the hard drive (have waited, restarted etc etc). So either you really can't delete a photo without deleting it in 2 different places or something else is going on. Seriously, why is it so hard for Apple to come up with an app that lets people simply delete images they have stored elsewhere !

     

    I do have a time machine back up but actually I mostly back up my photos to date ordered folders on various hard drives - this because only using time machine (or external photos libraries) also appears to cause some problems.

  • by gail from maine,

    gail from maine gail from maine Sep 16, 2016 3:58 PM in response to jshire
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    Sep 16, 2016 3:58 PM in response to jshire

    Have you rebooted the Mac?

     

    Cheers,

     

    GB

  • by jshire,

    jshire jshire Sep 16, 2016 10:27 PM in response to gail from maine
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    Sep 16, 2016 10:27 PM in response to gail from maine

    yes - as mentioned above (restart etc). 

     

    nb. also, I have no duplicate iphoto library - I deleted that some time ago.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Sep 16, 2016 11:15 PM in response to gail from maine
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    Sep 16, 2016 11:15 PM in response to gail from maine

    Delete photos from the Album but not the Library: Click on Album, select All for photos in that album, press Delete key (View = Select Album from Sidebar)

     

    Delete photos from Library via the Album: Click on Album, select All for photos in that album, press Command + Delete key (View = Select Album from Sidebar)

    Yes and Yes to the first two options, Gail, , but the third option is working differently for me:

    Delete the Album itself plus any photos in it from the Library: Go to Albums view, select Album, press Command + Delete (View = Select Album from Albums view)

    This does not send the photos inside to Recently Deleted, only the album vanishes without any questions asked, but the photos inside will stay in the library.

  • by jshire,

    jshire jshire Sep 16, 2016 11:30 PM in response to léonie
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    Sep 16, 2016 11:30 PM in response to léonie

    (I understand this was a reply to another person)

     

    the thing is, as mentioned above, none of this actually works though ! This is confirmed on other threads & some Apple folks also. This DOES NOT free up any space on your hard drive. All methods of deleting photos / folders / recently deleted folder contents or waiting for them to be auto deleted does not free up any space.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Sep 16, 2016 11:47 PM in response to jshire
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    Sep 16, 2016 11:47 PM in response to jshire
    This is confirmed on other threads & some Apple folks also. This DOES NOT free up any space on your hard drive.

    Deleting image files from your Photos Library will not free any storage, if the same image files are still used by iPhoto or Aperture.  If you still keep your original iPhoto Library or Aperture Library  on your system drive, you have to remove it from your drive. The libraries are sharing the photos by hard links, and as long as iPhoto or Aperture are using them as well, the storage will not be freed because of the hard links. OS X is counting the references to hard linked files and will only free the storage, if the reference counter is back to zero.

    See:  Six Colors: The (hard) link between Photos and iPhoto

    or:  Photos saves disk space by sharing images with your iPhoto or Aperture libraries - Apple Support

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