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Q: Numbers has a bizarre problem

problem with numbers spread sheet

 

When I select a cell then type my required formula of - 1/(cell a/cell b) this happens:

 

After I type 1 and then type the divide symbol it simply types the + again and again instead of the / (divide) sign. There is no explanation for this. I cannot use the divide / instruction because each time I press it it typed the + sign.

 

 

Also when I tried to write that same formula, instead of a cell reference of the cell address, say cell a1/a 2, there was a whole load of rubbish text instead of the name or address of the cell.

 

The text came from part of a heading at the top of the column where  the cell address was a cell underneath that heading in that same column. I had written ‘cost including dealing charges’ in the column heading . The other part of the text had been taken from the text to the extreme left edge of the same row the cell address was in.

 

So my formula ended up looking like this:

 

=1+(COST INCLUDING Gulf Keystone Petroleum+'TOTAL CURRENT ' Gulf Keystone Petroleum)

 

When it should have looked like this: =1/(G6/I6) which when formatted to express a percentage results in 54.27%. i.e =1/(211.98/115.05)

 

I spent at least two hours trying to find out what was going on and why and how to remove this sillly unwanted text.

 

It was completely impossible to find out how to deal with it. It also rapidly became clear the numbers software was written so badly and by such an ignorant, ill educated and basically illiterate person, that is was a time consuming and utterly hopeless waste of time even trying to understand it. (or use ‘help’).

 

Nearly all the necessary explanations  the idiots who had written the code which defined the functionality of this software were either impossible to find, time consuming to find or completely impossible to find at all; and sometimes, even if you did find them they were completely impossible to understand because the writer was so ill educated he was incapable of being able to properly communicate to users to explain what and how to deal with certain issues.

 

I would be grateful if you could provide an explanation of what is causing this bizarre problem.

 

 

 

The Apple numbers software has just completely appalled me. I have been using all previous Apple spreadsheets since my first Apple Mac  Classic purchased in 1989 and every Mac computer model since then. I was last using the Snow Leopard OS Apple Spread sheet without any of the really bad problems I have now encountered with the truly horrible El Capitan OS.

 

This El Capitan Apple numbers spread sheet software is beyond appalling - it simply is not working and I am utterly disgusted at the incredibly bad quality of this Apple numbers software which is obviously completely unusable and totally, useless software. It is in legal terms entirely ‘unfit for purpose’. That means Apple has sold me a non functional and entirely useless product.

 

It is also the case  that all the latest Apple software I am struggling to use with El Capitan is vastly less functional than the much older software I was using with Snow Leopard. There are a constant stream of immensely time consuming problems ocurring on a daily basis which really, really badly interfere with  productivity.

 

I would like to make it crystal clear that this is not any kind of ‘technical issue’. It is not about ‘technophobia’. or about failing to have enough ‘technical knowledge’ to be able to use the software at all.

 

The only ‘technical’ part of software and computing as far as any end user is concerned is the computer code which programmers use to instruct the computer how to function. And as absolutely no end user ever needs to know anything about this technical issue of code and to be able to understand it, there is precisely nothing at all ‘technical’ about  the ordinary ‘non technical’ person using computers.

 

The only real problem is the incompetently designed software and sheer illiteracy of instructions on how to use it.

 

A computer screen is simply a replacement for the pre-computer bits of paper everyone used to use. A computer screen is just a glorified electronically manipulated replacement for paper which can by dynamically be instructed  by the user to change in many different ways by using a keyboard and pointing and clicking on a mouse.

 

But the mental deficiencies , lack of being able to be logical, utter and complete lack of any knowledge about graphic design at all, and the complete and comprehensive incapacity to be able to communicate intelligently with the end user of all those ignorant and mindlessly stupid software writers just takes my breath away.

 

There is a long standing conspiracy in the computer industry to produce rubbish software, often virtually unusable by any normal person, and then blame the end user for lack of sufficient ‘technical knowledge’ about computing and how to use computers and computer software.

 

There is no ‘technical knowledge’ at all that is required to enable a user to use a computer. All the problems end users have with using any software is caused by the incredibly stupid and ignorant manner in which software is ‘designed’ by very ill educated and useless people.

 

You have to be all of these things to be so stupid as to produce the software problems end users come across every day.

 

Yes, Stupid, in a word. Software is designed by ignorant and very, very stupid people.

 

 

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iMac, OS X El Capitan (10.11.6)

Posted on Sep 19, 2016 6:09 PM

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  • by FoxFifth,

    FoxFifth FoxFifth Sep 19, 2016 6:53 PM in response to ziggyzig
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    Sep 19, 2016 6:53 PM in response to ziggyzig

    I first confess that I did not read your entire post.

     

    I can possibly provide some help on the / changing to a + issue. If you look very closely you will see that the /

     

    actually changing to the ÷ division sign.

     

    Also, this is primarily a user-to-user technical support forum. If you want to provide feedback to Apple you may want to also post to http://www.apple.com/feedback/numbers.html

  • by Wayne Contello,

    Wayne Contello Wayne Contello Sep 19, 2016 7:15 PM in response to ziggyzig
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    Sep 19, 2016 7:15 PM in response to ziggyzig

    The change from the slash to a obelus has been confusing for many people.  When I first saw it, I performed a test to check the operation.  Once I saw that in my test that it performed the correct operation I looked more closely to see that the "+" was actually the obelus ("÷")

  • by t quinn,

    t quinn t quinn Sep 19, 2016 7:59 PM in response to ziggyzig
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    Sep 19, 2016 7:59 PM in response to ziggyzig

    Hi ziggyzig,

     

    You should know that we are users like yourself.

     

    Us nearsighted users never confused the + and ÷.

     

    quinn

  • by ziggyzig,

    ziggyzig ziggyzig Sep 19, 2016 8:57 PM in response to Wayne Contello
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    Sep 19, 2016 8:57 PM in response to Wayne Contello

    Thanks for that Foxfifth & Wayne - you are (of course) absolutely right. It is actually the traditional 'divide' sign. But hard though I looked at it, even using strong  reading glasses, I could never have seen it was an traditional divide sign without you telling me. I have to really make quite an unrealistic effort to detect it; and then it is barely discernible, if at all. The reason is the dot above & below the horizontal line is so, so close to that line it virtually merges.

     

    This is called 'bad' graphic design as the whole general purpose of graphic design is  firstly to make things actually readable, without which graphic presentations to the reader are, obviously, pointless & silly. Which is an obvious proof of part of what I am complaining about - the horrible, mindless arrogance of the computer industry thrusting utter rubbish down our throats (including those cluttered, nonsensical websites which are impossible to 'navigate' or find what you want while your brain is being bludgeoned into a state of mental diahorrea by a great vomit of unwanted, disconnected and usually irrelevant, distracting nonsense. Spam, I think it's called elsewhere). It is offensive, very.

     

    What is the point of writing something that is, literally - unreadable. It is stupid.There is no excuse for it. And it greatly interferes with work of any kind.

     

    But now that (simple as it turns out) mystery has been solved, it still leaves the bigger mystery of what this nonsense text is doing impersonating the proper address of the spread sheet  cells I wish to use in the formula. This also completely prevents me from designing a proper formula & renders numbers unusable and completely unreliable. How is it possible to believe any figures produced by this useless software are safe to believe in as being accurate and correct ?

     

    I'm sure that there is a solution, and it will also make me look stupid once I know what it is. Meanwhile, I don't have the answer and Apple are too incompetent to be able to write common sense based software designs or have the mental capacity to grasp the simple fact that end users need to easily be able to find out about all the aspects of any software they use, by means of having access to understandable, findable instructions that are written by litterate individuals instead of people with almost zero communications ability.

     

    I think at least the couple of hours I spent looking in every nook & cranny of the numbers software and help instructions document & still failing to find even a clue what is is going on very ably demonstrates just how bad the software is.

  • by Barry,

    Barry Barry Sep 20, 2016 12:44 AM in response to ziggyzig
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    Sep 20, 2016 12:44 AM in response to ziggyzig

    Hi ziggyzig,

     

    Regarding substitution of the obelus (÷) for the solidus ( ⁄ ) in division formulas: Little disagreement there. Would be more acceptable if the character had greater separation between the dots and the horizontal bar. With the current character definition, there's too much opportunity for confusion.

     

     

    Regarding the 'rubbish text' comment:

    Also when I tried to write that same formula, instead of a cell reference of the cell address, say cell a1/a 2, there was a whole load of rubbish text instead of the name or address of the cell.

     

    The text came from part of a heading at the top of the column where  the cell address was a cell underneath that heading in that same column. I had written ‘cost including dealing charges’ in the column heading . The other part of the text had been taken from the text to the extreme left edge of the same row the cell address was in.

     

    This is a user determined setting, "Use header names as labels" which replaces the column letter and row number of a cell address with the labels in the header row of that column and header column of that row in the display of a formula referencing that column and row.

     

    To turn it off, go to Numbers Preferences > General, and uncheck the box beside "Use header names as labels."

     

    Some users find this a useful feature. Those who use long labels in their column and row headers are, I suspect, not among those in that group.

     

    As has been said already, this is a user to user forum intended to share knowledge and solve technical issues. with the exception of the issues already addresses, your post falls outside the mandate (and the terms of use) for the forum. For issues you want addressed by Apple, use the feedback channel (see Wayne's post for a link, or use the Provide Numbers Feedbackmenu item in the Numbers menu in  Numbers.

     

    Regards,

    Barry