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Q: AirPort Broadcast Pass Through?

I have a current Apple Airport Extreme network servicing both CAT6 wired and wireless devices configured in DHCP/NAT. I have a 24-port DLink external switch connected to the Airport Extreme. A new device, which is hard-wired to the switch, connects A-OK to the hard-wired Mac Mini running a program managing the new device. The new device also has an iOS control program for my iPad, but the iPad cannot communicate with the new hard-wired device. Any suggestions?

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Posted on Sep 21, 2016 9:28 AM

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  • by Tesserax,

    Tesserax Tesserax Sep 21, 2016 9:37 AM in response to DavidAhrendts
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    Sep 21, 2016 9:37 AM in response to DavidAhrendts

    Is your AirPort Extreme base station an 802.11ac model? Is it currently configured with the IGMP Snooping option enabled?

    • AirPort Utility > Select the Extreme > Edit > Network tab > Network Options... > Enable IGMP Snooping

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    What version of iOS is the iPad running? Was is the iOS control program? Was it able to work before or never worked?

  • by DavidAhrendts,Helpful

    DavidAhrendts DavidAhrendts Sep 21, 2016 10:24 AM in response to Tesserax
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    Sep 21, 2016 10:24 AM in response to Tesserax

    iPad is iOS 10.0.1, the current iOS just released. Dunno about IGMP Snooping. What is that? And no, the program has never worked with the new device plugged in earlier this week. Again, the device is working with the hard-wired Mac Mini, but not with its iOS equivalent on the wireless iPad.

  • by DavidAhrendts,

    DavidAhrendts DavidAhrendts Sep 21, 2016 9:44 AM in response to DavidAhrendts
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    Sep 21, 2016 9:44 AM in response to DavidAhrendts

    And yes, the newest Airport Extreme with 802.11ac.

  • by Tesserax,Helpful

    Tesserax Tesserax Sep 21, 2016 10:24 AM in response to DavidAhrendts
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    Sep 21, 2016 10:24 AM in response to DavidAhrendts

    You mentioned "Broadcast Pass Through" in the title of your post.

     

    IGMP snooping is the process of listening to Internet Group Management Protocol (IGMP) network traffic. This protocol allows a network switch (for example, built into the Extreme) to listen in on IGMP conversations between hosts and multicast routers. By listening the switch maintains a map of which links need which IP multicast streams. It then learns to forward multicast traffic only to interfaces that require them instead of flooding all the network interfaces.

     

    I was suggesting the you enable IGMP snooping on your Extreme by using the AirPort Utility to do so to see if this helps.

  • by DavidAhrendts,

    DavidAhrendts DavidAhrendts Sep 21, 2016 10:00 AM in response to Tesserax
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    Sep 21, 2016 10:00 AM in response to Tesserax

    Will try it, my friend. Thank you. Will report back.

  • by DavidAhrendts,

    DavidAhrendts DavidAhrendts Sep 21, 2016 1:47 PM in response to Tesserax
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    Sep 21, 2016 1:47 PM in response to Tesserax

    Well, I am told my device does not use the multicast process, so it is unlikely IGMP Snooping will help. Thanks anyway. Open to any suggestions.

  • by Tesserax,

    Tesserax Tesserax Sep 21, 2016 1:49 PM in response to DavidAhrendts
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    Sep 21, 2016 1:49 PM in response to DavidAhrendts

    I may not have any, but it would help if I understood a bit more about this "device" you are referring to.

  • by DavidAhrendts,

    DavidAhrendts DavidAhrendts Sep 21, 2016 1:55 PM in response to Tesserax
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    Sep 21, 2016 1:55 PM in response to Tesserax

    An amateur radio -- FLEX 6500. Parent management program is dogparkSDR (Software Defined Radio) which is running on a Mac Mini flawlessly with the radio. Alternatively, there is an iOS program that will run the radio, SmartSDR -- an app in the App Store. Here is some advice from FLEX people -- maybe you see something in this that explains my problem:

    Yes, it is very simple.  The radio sends a non-network specific broadcast pack (255.255.255.255) on port udp/4992 that describes the radio type, serial number, installed firmware, the IP address of the radio and if the radio is in use by a GUI client, the IP address of that client.

  • by Tesserax,

    Tesserax Tesserax Sep 21, 2016 2:23 PM in response to DavidAhrendts
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    Sep 21, 2016 2:23 PM in response to DavidAhrendts

    Ah, I'm a HAM myself, just Technician-class in support of my local CERT organization.

     

    Let me do a little research and see what I can find to help you out. Not promising anything, but I'll give it a go.

     

    A broadcast message is not the same as a multicast so my earlier comments really won't apply. Simply a broadcast message will be delivered to every network client regardless of, whether or not, it requests it. In theory, the corresponding application that is running on specific clients will actively listen for this message on UDP port 4992.

     

    One issue can be if the specific client has an active software firewall that is blocking this port. There are actually two types of software firewalls: 1) network, & 2) application. Macs have both, but neither are enabled by default. iOS devices, as far as I know, do not employ software firewalls, so I am a bit puzzled on why you are having issues with your iPad's app.

     

    I'll download an install SmartSDR on my iPad Pro to learn a bit more about it.

  • by DavidAhrendts,

    DavidAhrendts DavidAhrendts Sep 21, 2016 2:28 PM in response to Tesserax
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    Sep 21, 2016 2:28 PM in response to Tesserax

    Well, wonderful! KK6DA here, and just to prove it's a small world, I just completed LAFD CERT! HA!

    Yes, puzzled also. Is there some issue between wired and wireless here? Shouldn't the 255 packs from the wired FLEX 6500 just pass through the switch to the wireless side of the Apple AirPort?

  • by Tesserax,

    Tesserax Tesserax Sep 21, 2016 3:20 PM in response to DavidAhrendts
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    Sep 21, 2016 3:20 PM in response to DavidAhrendts

    Shouldn't the 255 packs from the wired FLEX 6500 just pass through the switch to the wireless side of the Apple AirPort?

    Yes, they should. As long as every device is on the same local network subnet, they should pass "through" both the D-Link and the AirPort's built-in Ethernet switches.

     

    If you are familiar with Ethernet switches, you would know that they can operate at both layer 2 & 3 of the OSI model. Devices in the same layer 2 segment do not need routing to reach local peers. They just need to know the destination MAC (hardware) address which is resolved using ARP.

     

    So within this layer 2 environment is where broadcast traffic resides. As mentioned earlier any broadcast traffic going to a switch will be forwarded out all ports with the exception of the port the broadcast packet arrived on. Broadcasts are contained in the same layer 2 segment, as they do not traverse past a layer 3 boundary. In other words broadcasts are limited to their broadcast domain in which they reside. At layer 2 that is an individual network segment. By default, the AirPort uses the 10.0.1.x network segment.

     

    Utilizing VLANs can change all of this. I am assuming that you have not employed this for the simple fact that the AirPort base stations do not support this feature.

  • by DavidAhrendts,

    DavidAhrendts DavidAhrendts Sep 21, 2016 3:28 PM in response to Tesserax
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    Sep 21, 2016 3:28 PM in response to Tesserax

    I will check tonight to see if there is a subnet issue and report back.

  • by DavidAhrendts,

    DavidAhrendts DavidAhrendts Sep 22, 2016 5:38 AM in response to Tesserax
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    Sep 22, 2016 5:38 AM in response to Tesserax

    Checked the IP subnet and it appears appears to be the same between wired and wireless Apple devices on my AirPort network. I checked 4 devices -- 1 wired, and 3 wireless:

    iPad Pro (wireless) - IP 10.1.1.11, subnet 255.255.255.0

    Mac Mini (wired) - IP 10.1.1.13, subnet 255.255.255.0

    MacBook Pro (wireless) - IP 10.1.1.14, subnet 255.255.255.0

    iPhone (wireless) - IP 10.0.1.10, subnet 255.255.255.0

    Unfortunately, since the FLEX 6500 does not show up as a device on my network asking for an IP address, I have no way to discover it's IP or subnet.

    I remain totally stumped. There are Flex users who use this iOS program successfully.

  • by DavidAhrendts,

    DavidAhrendts DavidAhrendts Sep 22, 2016 6:33 AM in response to Tesserax
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    Sep 22, 2016 6:33 AM in response to Tesserax

    New development:  I tried the SmartSDR app on my iPhone 6S Plus, and IT OPENED. Instantly! "Sees" the Flex radio instantly. So, we have a iPad Pro running iOS 10.0.1 with something preventing it from recognizing the Flex 6500. Just a thought, but might it be the wi-fi protocol? The Gen 6 AirPort Extreme and the iPad Pro are capable of 802.11ac, faster than 802.11a/b/g/n. What think?

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