Jean Shea

Q: desktop and documents on icloud

I decided to opt for OS Sierra's desktop and documents option  on my iCloud and immediately regretted when I realized that it would absolutely wipe my hard drive of documents that I don't want to risk in the world on online storage. Now I want i to stop uploaded files but it won't. Am I screwed?

iMac, macOS Sierra (10.12)

Posted on Sep 21, 2016 10:07 PM

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  • by LACAllen,

    LACAllen LACAllen Sep 21, 2016 10:17 PM in response to Jean Shea
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    Sep 21, 2016 10:17 PM in response to Jean Shea

    Enabling iCloud Drive doesn't wipe anything.

     

    That simply syncs the content of those folders to/from iCloud.

     

    If you "also" use any of the new file storage optimization features, that "may" make cloud copies instead of local copies of older files.

     

    These settings are made by separate choices, not because you turned on the iCloud Drive.

     

    Please read >>> Save storage space on your Mac - Apple Support

  • by Jean Shea,

    Jean Shea Jean Shea Sep 21, 2016 10:22 PM in response to LACAllen
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    Sep 21, 2016 10:22 PM in response to LACAllen

    Listen I had iCloud drive going long before I installed Sierra. Now I selected the Desktop and Documents under the iCloud drive option. Immediately after, my desktop document folder was empty. I think I managed to retrieve them before they went but I don't know. My desktop folder is gone and is being uploaded to the cloud as we speak. I can't get it to stop. I thought this option allowed you to keep a copy of your desktop docs on the cloud and sync'd as you worked on them, but it seems it wants to put everything into online storage.

     

    Not happy ATM but I do have things backed up if everything goes south.

  • by LACAllen,

    LACAllen LACAllen Sep 21, 2016 10:44 PM in response to Jean Shea
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    Sep 21, 2016 10:44 PM in response to Jean Shea

    Your files weren't necessarily going anywhere. They were being synced in a new way now available in Sierra.

     

    The file structure and location has changed between iCloud Drive under El Capitan and under Sierra.

     

    Apple has not published the exact triggers that dictate whether your files are local  or online.

     

    See here for what is known at this time >>> macOS Sierra: View file, folder, and disk information

     

    To provide access to the "same" Desktop and Documents folders across your macOS Sierra devices, changes were made.

     

    You will still have local access to all files stored in these 2 folders once the syncing process is complete.

     

    There are differences if the "other" Mac is not running Sierra.

  • by Jean Shea,

    Jean Shea Jean Shea Sep 21, 2016 10:47 PM in response to LACAllen
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    Sep 21, 2016 10:47 PM in response to LACAllen

    Exactly, my files went off into the cloud and missing from my hard drive. Open the folder and look for Documents, it's not there. Click on iCloud, there it is. Same for Desktop. In the finder window, the hierarchy led to iCloud not my hard drive. Plus I got this this piechart icon that appears when files are being uploaded. Thousands of them. That said to me that everything was getting migrated to the cloud. Another person reported the same experience. Next day, when the person found her- or himself outside wifi range, no files. That says to me the files are on the cloud, and A. You have to be connected to get to them and B. They are vulnerable.

  • by LACAllen,

    LACAllen LACAllen Sep 21, 2016 11:45 PM in response to Jean Shea
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    Sep 21, 2016 11:45 PM in response to Jean Shea

    I think what is happening is we will all "see" different things that Sierra iCloud Drive may do on our systems. mI have 600+GB free, so all my files are both local and on/in iCloud.

     

    It seems if you have lots of system/local drive storage, your files are indeed synced between your Mac and iCloud, as before. When your local drive space is at a premium, some files may be "moved" to the cloud and you will need internet access to get them. Don't think we can control that algorithm.

     

    See here in the new optimization dialogs... key phrase... "when storage space is needed"

     

    Screen Shot 2016-09-22 at 2.41.18 AM.png

  • by nikolayPlovdiv,

    nikolayPlovdiv nikolayPlovdiv Sep 22, 2016 3:16 AM in response to LACAllen
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    Sep 22, 2016 3:16 AM in response to LACAllen

    Hi guys,

    I have pretty the same problem. After upgrading to Sierra, all of my documents in iCloud are missing. I had a lot of Pages, Nimbers and Keynotes documents. Now there is nothing. I've  tried to reach them on my iPhone and iPad several times, but everything is empty. I simply don't know what to do now...

  • by williamfromalfred,

    williamfromalfred williamfromalfred Sep 22, 2016 12:46 PM in response to Jean Shea
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    Sep 22, 2016 12:46 PM in response to Jean Shea

    Seems we are stuck ... Apple has implemented some sort of Heisenberg uncertainty principle in their file manipulation and storage. The files are not observable with respect to their exact position. I tried canceling the Desktop and Documents storage to the iCloud and I can no longer find my files. The Finder has that spinning radial indicator in the lower left of the window and although there is a folder there is nothing being displayed. Worst part of it is I have a talk to give and need to find a copy of the file on one of my devices/macs or I will be in trouble. Hopefully the syncing through the iCloud will remove the 'uncertainty'.

  • by Jean Shea,

    Jean Shea Jean Shea Sep 22, 2016 12:51 PM in response to williamfromalfred
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    Sep 22, 2016 12:51 PM in response to williamfromalfred

    Okay, this may be the argument for not letting programmers have too much exposure to quantum physics. Our files are probably somewhere off on the other side of the universe.

     

    At least they should be fairly safe there.

     

    I think.

     

    Maybe.

  • by williamfromalfred,

    williamfromalfred williamfromalfred Sep 22, 2016 1:02 PM in response to Jean Shea
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    Sep 22, 2016 1:02 PM in response to Jean Shea

    But if the files are in another the universe ... does the same physics hold? Then again maybe time runs in reverse there and the files will miraculously reappear in their original state ... yep, maybe the Apple programmers who will be occupying that 'space ship' are really from that other universe.

  • by williamfromalfred,

    williamfromalfred williamfromalfred Sep 22, 2016 6:30 PM in response to Jean Shea
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    Sep 22, 2016 6:30 PM in response to Jean Shea

    Ok, I was able to de-select the Desktop & Documents Folders option but it did not return to the original local Desktop and Documents states on the Macs. I guess it is really 'undoable'. My faux pas was to assume that Apple had some type of rapid file transfer scheme to avoid the 'time dilation' issue with transfer issues. So now it is saying it is Uploading 319 Mb of 44.4 GB while trying to Download 1.1 Mb of 65.9 MB. I am in 'stasis'. The issue is, as people have said, all about the bandwidth of the transfer. I actually, DUMBLY, never checked the size of my Documents folder. I wish there were a warning (maybe there was) on the size constraints. SO, the bottom line is, I have made my files 'invisible' while they likely transfer in the 'ether'.

  • by Jean Shea,

    Jean Shea Jean Shea Sep 22, 2016 11:04 PM in response to williamfromalfred
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    Sep 22, 2016 11:04 PM in response to williamfromalfred

    Sorry. Just seeing this. What I did was do the old drag-and-drop routine. I dragged both the desktop and documents folders from iCloud onto my desktop. Also made sure to unclick the Desktop&Documents option in the iCloud preferences and unclicked the optimize storage feature.
    It seems that after I did that the uploading stopped. Then I had to select all the items in my Documents folder from iCloud now on my desktop and dropped them into the real Documents folder (via Macintosh HD>users>(my home folder name)>Documents.

    Did the same with the "Desktop" folder from iCloud with the added step of having to restore the Desktop alias in my Finder sidebar (Finder/Preferences/Sidebar). After all that I trashed the now empty Docs and Desktop folders from iCloud into my trash.

    Sorry if this seems incredibly lame and obvious, but that's how I finally got things back to what I wanted. I'll not be venturing into the world of Sierra iCloud. It was too good to be true.

  • by Jean Shea,

    Jean Shea Jean Shea Sep 22, 2016 11:06 PM in response to williamfromalfred
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    Sep 22, 2016 11:06 PM in response to williamfromalfred

    I suspect the dauntless programmers at Apple have figured out how to untangle Quantum untanglement. Snip-snip and the files have been set free! LOL.

  • by williamfromalfred,

    williamfromalfred williamfromalfred Sep 23, 2016 10:27 AM in response to Jean Shea
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    Sep 23, 2016 10:27 AM in response to Jean Shea

    Well, I decided to plunge back into the abyss ... to risk my Schrodinger cat's life (my data). I turned on the Desktop & Documents option again but only for one of my three computers (I figured the 3 body problem was unsolvable!). At that point all transfers were stopped ... of course that was expected. But what was sorta unexpected is that I 'gained' negative data! I may have killed the cat and reversed data! These Apple engineers are so creative. I wish I could prove I am seeing negative data  but my screen shot will not transmit instantly across the universe using an entangled state. Apparently, Apple has not yet perfected instantaneous data transfer.

  • by Jean Shea,

    Jean Shea Jean Shea Sep 23, 2016 10:34 AM in response to williamfromalfred
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    Sep 23, 2016 10:34 AM in response to williamfromalfred

    I truly do sympathize. If I lost my files I would be more than just a little upset. This is why regardless the sales pitch, I backup my hard drive with a third party backup system (I use Carbon Copy Cloner) in addition to Time Machine. It's a royal pain to restore a hard drive, but a lot less awful than having lost vital files.

     

    I hope that is the case for you as well. Godspeed.

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