Documents MOVED to iCloud

Wow, I just realized, with the new upgrade to Sierra, my Documents folder was MOVED to iCloud. I thought I did quite a lot of reading about the new upgrade before actually doing it, and I don't recall EVER reading that this would occur. I know it said contents of my desktop would be available on all my devices but I don't recall ever reading that my documents folder would me MOVED. Was this written somewhere in Apple's documentation?


If not, I would like to express my disappointment that Apple would automatically do this rather than make it an option that I could select IF I wanted to do it. I am an Apple fan, I love their products, do all my work on apple products and have all my memories stored in apple products, but I find this lack of disclosure appalling. Was this just a way to get people to sign up for more storage?


There are many reasons I need my design documents, fonts, customer files, stored on my computer rather than in a cloud so I really wish we were given the opportunity to make this selection, rather than have it made for us.


Just needed to vent my disappointment in this issue.


Annette

MacBook Pro with Retina display, OS X El Capitan (10.11.6)

Posted on Sep 26, 2016 1:21 PM

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Sep 26, 2016 6:00 PM in response to annettepeyton

annettepeyton wrote:


I've spent long enough on this and I don't seem to be getting anywhere. I appreciate everyone's help, however, from all indications, my files were moved from my computer to icloud.

Here is what I have determined from my Mac:

None of your files were moved.

The Desktop and Documents folders now have a new extended attribute that tells Finder to not display them in the Home folder, and to display them under the iCloud Drive folder. The files in those folders are synced with iCloud storage, but they still exist exactly where they were.


You can see that the two folders still exist in the file system by running this command in Terminal:

ls -alO ~/

You will see these indications for Desktop and Documents:

drwxr-xr-x@ 7 Barney staff - 238 Sep 25 07:33 Desktop

drwxr-xr-x@ 11 Barney staff - 374 Sep 6 06:54 Documents

The first d indicates they are in fact actual directories, not links (which would be indicated by an l)

The - between staff and size indicates they are not hidden (otherwise it would say, "hidden").


You can look inside each folder using the same command and see all of the documents inside of them.

ls -alO ~/Documents

You can drag the Desktop or Documents folder from the iCloud Drive into Terminal and it will write out the path of the folder. You'll note that it is the path to the folders in your Home folder, not some place in Mobile Documents.


I suppose it is possible that I have a very special installation of Sierra, but I doubt that.

Sep 27, 2016 4:31 AM in response to Barney-15E

As an addendum to my previous post, it may be that a small number of "hot" files are maintained on the local drive, so if you have a lot of files (I only had a sparse amount), they may not all reside on your Mac locally.

The descriptions of iCloud Drive's Desktop and Documents that I have read does not seem to indicate the feature is designed to save disk space, so I'm not sure if this supposition is true.


That tidbit may be in Bill's article linked above (haven't had time to read through it, yet).

Sep 28, 2016 4:30 AM in response to annettepeyton

Your documents were not MOVED, but only made invisible on the original Mac, and they were downloaded to any other Mac with the same iCloud id if you turned on syncing on the other Mac. To keep all of your documents on one of your Macs, turn OFF Optimized Storage on that Mac (assuming there is enough room for all of them on that Mac). On any Mac where Optimized Storage is turned ON, some of the documents may be removed from that Mac when storage runs low, and very large files may be kept only on iCloud with respect to that Mac.


Download my article explaining this in detail, as a PDF file, at: http://www.quecheesoftware.com/iCloud.html

Sep 28, 2016 10:55 AM in response to Bill Cheeseman

Wow, whatever happened to, if you see the file, IT'S THERE, and if you don't see the file, IT'S NOT THERE! Why make this so complicated?


So, when I view my documents folder on my phone and my mac, it says there are 74 GIG of data there, but when I click on the documents folder, I can't see any of these magic files. Can someone tell me how to delete these files out of the documents folder so I don't have to upgrade to the next larger plan with apple? I've tried to see them on my mac, on my phone and via icloud.com and it says DOCUMENTS are taking up 74 GIG of space but I see nothing.

Sep 28, 2016 11:21 AM in response to Csound1

I'm not sure how else to word this. I've looked everywhere, there are no document files listed. Everywhere (my phone, my computer, the website) says the documents folder takes up 74 gig of data, but there are no documents shown, so I am unable to delete any documents. I've checked in the preferences on my mac, system preferences>icloud>manage and it says 74 gig makes up documents. But I can't see any documents.

Sep 28, 2016 12:34 PM in response to Joseph Delaney

Thanks for your help. I think I figured this out.


Monday when I initially had this issue, I copied my files out of the cloud documents folder back onto my hard drive on my mac. Then when I saw that my files were securely on my mac, I deleted the ones from the cloud folder. I guess cloud was still seeing them in my trash and calculating their space as still being in my cloud folder. I emptied my trash and my cloud storage went back up and the documents folder says it's back down to where it was before all this started.


I'm still not sure why apple has to make this so difficult. Don't mess with my files, I'll manage them. But I learned a lot in this process and appreciate everyone's help. I learned that drop box is probably a lot more my speed. We all spent way too long on this but again, thank you!

Sep 28, 2016 4:52 PM in response to annettepeyton

annettepeyton wrote:


I'm still not sure why apple has to make this so difficult. Don't mess with my files, I'll manage them.

You told them to mess with them when you enabled Desktop and Documents during the setup assistant.

I didn't find anything difficult about it. It said it was going to move my Desktop and Documents folder into iCloud and that's what it did.

When I disabled it, it told me what was going to happen and how to move my files back onto my hard drive. All pretty simple.

Sep 28, 2016 5:03 PM in response to annettepeyton

If not, I would like to express my disappointment that Apple would automatically do this rather than make it an option that I could select IF I wanted to do it.

It was an option, you were prompted for it during the setup. The option may have been checked by default, but you had the oppurtunity to uncheck it before proceeding. It wasn't Apple's fault that you missed it.

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