Q: Pages keeps crashing after Sierra

Peggy -Thanks for your reply.

I think I used the wrong term. Instead of "wrap text" I should have said "hyphenation". When I open a Pages 09 document in El Capitan - one that formats correctly in Mavericks - no hyphenation occurs (regardless of the setting) causing the page to format differently; ruining the layout. I am hoping hyphenation for Pages 09 has been restored under Sierra.

Bob,

I meant to get back to you earlier, but your post was invisible when I was signed-in, and visible when signed out. Hosting software.

The hyphenation story is unchanged. Pages '09 v4.3 on macOS Sierra refuses to hyphenate, with different fonts, justification, body text, spacing, and text boxes. Unfortunately, the same document (141 pages) refuses to hyphenate in Pages v6.0 too. Even parts of it copy/pasted into Pages v6.0.

The same document in LibreOffice Writer v5.2.2.2, fully justified, and with hyphenation enabled, does perform hyphenation. This would lead me to believe that Apple's Pages products are drawing their hyphenation knowledge from a common shared library module, and it is broken.

Although the next update to macOS Sierra, and/or Pages v6 might correct this issue, there is no way to know in advance. It may be time to choose a non-Apple writing solution where hyphenation is available when you want it.

Thank you. That answered my question! I had hoped it had been fixed in Sierra :-( You would think Apple would make some minimal effort to keep Pages 4 (09) working since so many people require the features that are not present in 5.0. Maybe they could rename it to PagesPro or such. I used to have Office v.X on my old G4 Tower. Maybe I'll spend the bucks and go back to it. Pages 5 doesn't meet my needs. It is pretty much useless, and the new inspector is clunky with all the dynamics that never seem to display what you need at the moment.

For many years I was an Apple Ambassador for a large aerospace company. As a result I was one of the few scientists that had a Mac. I have to say that over the years Apple has treated the living documents and data I created on a Mac as expendable; this has never been a problem for my PC using co-workers. First I lost a lot of documents when MacDrawPro was no longer supported - and a reasonable way of exporting it was pretty much nonexistent. Now my Pages documents are pretty much lost too.

Well - I rant!

Thanks again!

iMac (27-inch, Late 2013) 3.5 GHz Intel Core i7

BobAF6C wrote:

 

I have to say that over the years Apple has treated the living documents and data I created on a Mac as expendable; this has never been a problem for my PC using co-workers.

Not a rant at all, this is such an important point and I can not get anyone at Apple to recognise just how bad this is for Mac Users.

Particularly as over the years I watched PC users NOT lose their work or have to go through the huge expense of replacing or patching all the deficiencies that Apple unilaterally slams down on its users, frequently without warning or notice.

Peter

The trouble with being a scientist is that knowing a product is wrong makes it really f ̂(ω)-ing wrong.

Apple office-oriented applications, and their proprietary document formats, inevitably end up on an abandoned information island. This is the other principal reason that Apple document formats are repugnant in the Enterprise.

The iWork '09 and earlier family of applications are dead to Apple. The last three years have demonstrated that Apple is not going to update them further, or borrow intelligent functionality, and add it to current Pages products.

I hope Apple never runs the Congressional Library. I can see books printed on older formulated paper being tossed. Yes, it seems like they jump between the time and frequency domain on a whim.

I've heard rumors that Pages 5 was developed for iOS so people could write on the iPad or iPhone, and the Mac version was dumbed down to make it all work together. Otherwise I see no reason for what they did to Pages 09. I bought Pages iOS for my iPad and tried writing a report on it, then tried again after buying an Apple wireless keyboard; neither was an experience I'd find viable except for very short essays and such. I'd never try it on an iPhone.

Apple really seems to have forgotten their Macintosh base in the past five years or so. Oh well, at least they spent a large effort so we can enjoy 'emojis' to show our displeasure, even if our documents no longer format.

So it sounds like Pages 4.3 works just as well on Sierra as on El Capitan, and any bug increases are related to the new Pages?

(Still running Pages 09 because I have a large workflow that works *perfectly* set up with it, and migration would be an annoying distraction right now. Will eventually do so.)

Also, I'm on 4.2, app store version. Hadn't had it updated at the time Pages 13 was released. I've had no issues so far, but would it be wise to switch to 4.3?

(I can't do so with the app store version. But I bought a DVD of Pages 09, and I could update that to 4.3)

There are no further updates available from Apple for app store sourced iWork '09 applications, and Apple only keeps the very last release of the current Pages (e.g.v6.0) in the App Store for download.

You will see us periodically link to an Apple iWork 9.3 updater in the Pages for Mac community, but it is strictly to update the applications installed from the iWork '09 DVD to their last revisions. Take stock in the use of “strictly,” as that particular updater applied to app store sourced applications will literally destroy them.

You Pages '09 v4.2 has scores of features that were never added to Pages v5 or v6. Basically all the good stuff. This functionality imbalance means that Pages v5 and v6 will mangle, or remove the unsupported features in the Pages '09 document — leaving you with a very different document. This can't be undone.