JimmyCMPIT

Q: HELP! I'm having a problem with not having a problem with OS X Sierra 10.12

I see a lot of threads with users reporting problem with OS 10.12 Sierra and asking why did Apple release such a buggy OS when they knew there were problems and everyone is having problems. I'm very concerned my 6 year old Mac Pro is not exhibiting any of these problems, not even slightly.  Even more concerning is Apple is not acting fast enough to fix other developers software problems for them. Developers don't have time to test their code let alone fix it when a problem occurs.

 

Why is Apple dragging their feet with all the patching every 3rd party developers is entitled to for writing a mac program, and more importantly why isn't Apple writing the software for my 3rd party hardware that the developers didn't bother to make because they no longer wish to support their 3rd party device? If I buy a printer to use with my Mac and it no longer work after 5 OS X iterations Apple needs to step up and support my loyalty to that other brand, thats the way it works with Windows, actually it doesn't but lets not get into that right now.

 

I'm also very aware that anytime my system does something I cant explain that's a virus, because my name brand Windows anti-virus enterprise that compiled a mac version of their windows product with a fraction of a percent of development they have for their windows version told me so and I know these products are not only necessary on mac but they protect my network PC's which are far too stupid with their own AV to protect themselves. It's not like Windows AV has had over two decades to mature, far more developers dedicated to Windows development and opportunities to works with Microsoft on integrating their products with Windows software.

 

I really dont like the idea of OS X being able to do most if not all of this without a 3rd party solution hanging over it's head at all times insuring compatibility regardless of knowing or not knowing what Apple may or may not have included in a securities patch since they choose to keep that information private. It's not like some potential exploiter could use that information to actually come up with a mac virus and try to distribute in the wild by knowing what methods Apple currently does not discuss with them or allow them access to, and I simply cant abide by the fact that OS X does not need any 3rd party utility to clean up the mess it doesn't make and something I downloaded from home shady site with packaged adware to test before I buy because the webpage told me I had a virus is causing the problem.

 

Again, this is all Apples mess to clean, I can't be troubled with actually researching the inherent problems with these 3rd party offerings by companies that change their name everytime they get slapped with a lawsuit.

Seriously Apple needs to step up to the plate and fix these other peoples problems now!

Mac Pro, macOS Sierra (10.12), Dual Xeon 2.4, 64 GB RAM

Posted on Oct 19, 2016 6:56 AM

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Q: HELP! I'm having a problem with not having a problem with OS X Sierra 10.12

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  • by kahjot,

    kahjot kahjot Oct 19, 2016 7:09 AM in response to JimmyCMPIT
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    Oct 19, 2016 7:09 AM in response to JimmyCMPIT

    Tsk, tsk. Someone woke up grumpy.

     

    One problem is that a lot of people do not know how to upgrade safely. Not really their fault. Not having proper backup IS their fault, but I know people who are smart people who never set up a proper backup solution.

  • by BobTheFisherman,

    BobTheFisherman BobTheFisherman Oct 19, 2016 7:14 AM in response to JimmyCMPIT
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    Oct 19, 2016 7:14 AM in response to JimmyCMPIT

     

  • by JimmyCMPIT,

    JimmyCMPIT JimmyCMPIT Oct 19, 2016 7:41 AM in response to kahjot
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    Oct 19, 2016 7:41 AM in response to kahjot

    IMHO thats the majority of the root of mac issues, and PC users, they are not HW or SW issues, they are user misunderstandings. 

    Many users I've worked with have limited knowledge of the tools and and understanding of computers and can cause problems for themselves then blame the computer for doing what they told it, not what they asked it. In many cases it's not the users fault; colleges often don't offer investment courses for potential pro athletes and some NFL or NBA first draft pick is often broke 10 years after signing a multi-million dollar contract because they bought 25 laundromats and 5 strip clubs, it's not their fault either. I'm in IT so I try to have more patience than the Dali Lama when I speak with other employees and telling someone they are an ID10T often does not solve their problems, and ends with a meeting in HR so that' not the approach. We try to educate here but our effect can be limited and we are often opinioated, I am very opinionated whether I admit it or not.

    The past 200 macs I've supported all came shipped to companies I worked for but does Apple offer consultation if you buy a new mac in a Mac store will a genius give you a "tour" of the device and offer some suggestions?

  • by dialabrain,

    dialabrain dialabrain Oct 19, 2016 8:08 AM in response to JimmyCMPIT
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    Oct 19, 2016 8:08 AM in response to JimmyCMPIT

    JimmyCMPIT wrote:

     

    The past 200 macs I've supported all came shipped to companies I worked for but does Apple offer consultation if you buy a new mac in a Mac store will a genius give you a "tour" of the device and offer some suggestions?

    FWIW, in the U.S. Apple does hold free classes to teach people how to use their device.

     

    To be honest I don't see this thread as being a technical question or particularly useful. There are users who understand your points and users who won't.

  • by JimmyCMPIT,

    JimmyCMPIT JimmyCMPIT Oct 19, 2016 11:25 AM in response to dialabrain
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    Oct 19, 2016 11:25 AM in response to dialabrain

    It was more of a response to posts that try to insist Sierra was a botched OS that Apple irresponsibly released and the web is full of "horror stories" to support their claim without providing any real information as to what the problem is. There are elements of total sarcasm but sarcasm has a hard time being deciphered on the web. I did try to include most of the causes of a temperamental update in those sarcastic comments, and address the repeated notion that Apple is solely responsible for their product to work with some improperly coded software from somewhere else.

    As it's been stated people who have no issue with the OS don't report that, this was an attempt to address that shortcoming.

  • by dialabrain,

    dialabrain dialabrain Oct 19, 2016 11:58 AM in response to JimmyCMPIT
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    Oct 19, 2016 11:58 AM in response to JimmyCMPIT

    I understand that. It just seems like beating a dead horse trying to explain reality to those who won't listen.

     

    However, I have 3 Macs running Sierra without problems other than a few inconsequential bugs. One of which I have good reason to believe will be fixed by 10.12.1.

  • by JimmyCMPIT,

    JimmyCMPIT JimmyCMPIT Oct 19, 2016 12:51 PM in response to dialabrain
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    Oct 19, 2016 12:51 PM in response to dialabrain

    ever just yell at the top of your voice?

    sometimes it helps.

  • by dialabrain,

    dialabrain dialabrain Oct 19, 2016 2:10 PM in response to JimmyCMPIT
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    Oct 19, 2016 2:10 PM in response to JimmyCMPIT

    ::thinking:: Nope.

  • by kahjot,

    kahjot kahjot Oct 19, 2016 8:50 PM in response to JimmyCMPIT
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    Oct 19, 2016 8:50 PM in response to JimmyCMPIT

    As in: "I'm mad as he!! and I'm not going to take it anymore!" (That quote won't mean much if you never saw the movie "Network".)

  • by JimmyCMPIT,

    JimmyCMPIT JimmyCMPIT Oct 20, 2016 8:20 AM in response to kahjot
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    Oct 20, 2016 8:20 AM in response to kahjot

    but it will if you've watched the Simpsons for two decades. Same writers.

  • by dialabrain,

    dialabrain dialabrain Oct 20, 2016 8:30 AM in response to JimmyCMPIT
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    Oct 20, 2016 8:30 AM in response to JimmyCMPIT

    JimmyCMPIT wrote:

     

    but it will if you've watched the Simpsons for two decades. Same writers.

    Not exactly. Paddy Chayefsky wrote "Network" and died 8 years before the first episode of "The Simpsons".

  • by JimmyCMPIT,

    JimmyCMPIT JimmyCMPIT Oct 20, 2016 12:43 PM in response to dialabrain
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    Oct 20, 2016 12:43 PM in response to dialabrain

    I thought I read one or more of that staff worked on that film.

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  • by dialabrain,

    dialabrain dialabrain Oct 20, 2016 12:49 PM in response to JimmyCMPIT
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    Oct 20, 2016 12:49 PM in response to JimmyCMPIT

    Well, I think I am handsome and Google Chrome is a good browser.

  • by crabby old boot,

    crabby old boot crabby old boot Oct 20, 2016 11:25 PM in response to JimmyCMPIT
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    Oct 20, 2016 11:25 PM in response to JimmyCMPIT

       Very well said, unfortunately you might be preaching to the converted.

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