Spam - Cloudmark Desktop equivalent (spam filter addon)

I understand there are a lot of threads about spam, we all hate it and we all want to get rid of it... this thread is about finding a Cloudmark Desktop plugin equivalent for the MAC OS.

I'm a switcher, and with outlook on the pc i was able to use this nifty tool to get rid of spam for the most part. currently i end up with 200 spam emails on average per day using Mail on the mac. For a little while i've tried using the onboard spam learning filters, but i've stopped using them as i'm trying afraid of missing legit emails so i'm trying to find a solution much like I had before with Cloudmark.

Or... maybe the solution is a simple one... learn the Mail filers better?

Thank you for your time, and any help or light you can shine upon this everlasting subject.

Mac Pro Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Posted on Dec 15, 2006 8:15 AM

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Dec 15, 2006 8:27 AM in response to BrianKRoss

I'm not sure what Cloudmark Desktop does, so I don't know how on-the-mark I'll be with my answer. But...

First, I'd just keep training Mail's filters. Give it a few months. Mine's been working for some time -- for one of my accounts, I've currently got 119 messages in the junk folder, and of those I only had to junk 5 manually. The rest went right in by themselves. I haven't had a false positive in a long time.

You could also try using another spam filter. Some options are SpamSieve ( http://c-command.com/spamsieve/) and SpamFire ( http://www.matterform.com/macsoftware/spam_emailfilter/). I'm sure that there are others, but I've used these before and know that they are quality products.

If these kinds of filters aren't suitable for you, though, give us more details on what you're looking for, and maybe we can suggest some other options.

Dec 16, 2006 4:28 AM in response to BrianKRoss

Brian-
I've been running a few mail servers on Linux for the last four years (FWIW).
10 domains, 100 users...not a huge business, but i'ts OK.

Now...two hundred spams per day sounds like a lot, because it is.

My questions to you would be:
1) Who's your email provider?(give us their domain) Let's look to see if they offer a filter at the server!
2) There may be a reason that you're getting that many.
Have you ever bounced 'em back..replied out of frustration...tried unsubscribing? Any of thee acts will increase your odds of getting MORE!
3) Have you considered changing your email address?

Dec 16, 2006 5:11 AM in response to BrianKRoss

The built-in junk mail filter included with the Mail.app is much more sophisticated than many people know or realize.

http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/05/18/spam_pt2.html

http://theosquest.blogspot.com/index.html

For a little while i've tried using the onboard spam learning filters,
but i've stopped using them as i'm trying afraid of missing legit emails


When setting the Junk Mail filter to Automatic, all messages automatically or manually marked as junk are moved to the account's Junk mailbox. There is a setting under the Mailbox Behaviors tab for the account preferences for automatically deleting junk messages from the account's Junk mailbox. You can set this to Never to ensure that you don't miss or lose any legit messages. Simple mark any legit messages as Not Junk and transfer the message from the account's Junk mailbox to the account's Inbox mailbox since this is not done automatically when selecting Not Junk for a message.

The filter learns in the same way regardless if set to Training or Automatic and continues to learn when set to Automatic.

The Mail.app's Junk Mail filter has always worked well for me using the default Junk Mail rules. Some filters work better than others but none are 100% especially since the overwhelming majority of all email transmitted now is spam.

This link includes recommendations to prevent spam besides just using a spam filter but once an email address is severely compromised as your address is (obviously the address is on a list of "know good" email addresses with a number of spammers), changing the email address is usually the best option at this point.

http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/05/14/spam_pt1.html?page=2

Jan 8, 2007 8:03 AM in response to Rick Van Vliet

My questions to you would be:
1) Who's your email provider?(give us their domain)
Let's look to see if they offer a filter at the
server!


I host my own domain / mail on my remote linux server.

2) There may be a reason that you're getting that
many.
Have you ever bounced 'em back..replied out of
frustration...tried unsubscribing? Any of thee acts
will increase your odds of getting MORE!


In the early days (a few years ago) I trusted that if I 'unsubscribed' it would help... I've since learned the hard way that this is not the case.

3) Have you considered changing your email address?

Yes, the email is personal and well known so I greatly hesitate to go through the hastle of changing it. I'm weighing the pros and cons.

Jan 8, 2007 9:00 AM in response to BrianKRoss

Glad to see you're still with us! Been a few weeks...

Let me rephrase my question, then...Since YOU'RE running the mailserver...
What mailserver software are you running on your Linuxbox (I use qmail. Have been since yr 2000)
What filtering are you running on your Linuxbox? (I use spamassassin)
Are you using any BlackLists? If not, why not?

IOW, if you're running your own server, why even fiddle around with desktop solutions? The proper filtering done on the server will alleviate 98% of the crapola that is coming at you.

Jan 8, 2007 11:52 AM in response to Rick Van Vliet

Rick,

I do run my own server, 99% of its purpose is to learn and host my own sites / ftp / mail. I'm certainly not running a hosting service, and certainly not an expert. This is more of a hobby, and when I have the time I learn quickly… which I have a feeling I’m about to!

Managing this part of my server is monumental. Let me see if I can answer your questions:

"What mailserver software are you running on your Linuxbox (I use qmail. Have been since yr 2000)"
If I check my mail online, I generally use Horde Webmail (Mainly because I like the UI's look and feel). However I can easily switch on SquirrelMail and / or Neomail Webmail.

"What filtering are you running on your Linuxbox? (I use spamassassin)"
I have the ability to use two options, Spamassassin and BoxTrapper Spam Trap. I've been afraid of loosing legit emails in the past, but now that things have slowed down and I have time to really troubleshoot this growing issue, I'm open to suggestions.

"Are you using any BlackLists? If not, why not?"
Not yet, see the above latter statement.

"IOW, if you're running your own server, why even fiddle around with desktop solutions? The proper filtering done on the server will alleviate 98% of the crapola that is coming at you."
Again, I'm not a pro webhost, this server is mainly for my own use for now. I'm all ears!

🙂

Jan 8, 2007 4:36 PM in response to BrianKRoss

Mmmm, no I'm not here to teach you how to run a public internet mail server (public-to-the-internet).
You should have learned mailserver basics before you started running a public server.

Horde and Squirrel are not mail servers. They are WebMail or IMAP clients.
Email server software for Linux might be 'qmail', 'postfix'.
SpamAssassin and BoxTrapper are both good. They will very rarely let you "lose" mail, depending on your configuration.

If you installed all these applications to work side-by-side with your mailserver, I would have expected more informed answers (But that's not bad!)

Filtering that happens on the server can solve much of your 200-Junk-Mails-per-day.

You just have a lot to learn. And we're getting off topic.

Jan 9, 2007 3:03 AM in response to BrianKRoss

We weren't wasting time.
You got some good suggestions about Cloudmark replacements.
(spamfire, spamsieve)
We had a little chat about filtering being done on the server.
We were starting to drift off the subject.

You simply couldn't answer questions about your mail server, that you should have known the answer for 🙂
(name of email server software, etc).
No biggie.

Check my profile, and drop me a note off-list, if you want some different tips or help with your server.

Jan 9, 2007 6:40 AM in response to Rick Van Vliet

Rick,

In response to:
Mmmm, no I'm not here to teach you how to run a
public internet mail server
(public-to-the-internet).
You should have learned mailserver basics before you
started running a public server.

Horde and Squirrel are not mail servers. They are
WebMail or IMAP clients.
Email server software for Linux might be 'qmail',
'postfix'.


Correct, Horde etc. are my webmail clients. I mentioned these because I assumed you wanted to get in to the SpamAssassin and BoxTrapper configurations.

My mail server is exim 4.63.

SpamAssassin and BoxTrapper are both good. They will
very rarely let you "lose" mail, depending on your
configuration.

If you installed all these applications to work
side-by-side with your mailserver, I would have
expected more informed answers (But that's not bad!)


My apologies.

Filtering that happens on the server can solve much
of your 200-Junk-Mails-per-day.

You just have a lot to learn. And we're getting off
topic.


If I knew everything, I wouldn't be asking questions 🙂

We weren't wasting time.
You got some good suggestions about Cloudmark
replacements.
(spamfire, spamsieve)
We had a little chat about filtering being done on
the server.
We were starting to drift off the subject.


I was referring to not intending on wasting your personal time as some your responses seem a little rough around the edges.

You simply couldn't answer questions about your mail
server, that you should have known the answer for 🙂
(name of email server software, etc).
No biggie.


... Exim 4.63

Check my profile, and drop me a note off-list, if you
want some different tips or help with your server.


I appreciate the offer.

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For anyone following this topic I've done the following:
- Decided not to purchase a third party spam filter addon at this time.
- Although I've looked in to server side SpamAssassin and BoxTrapper configurations, I've decided to not use either of these for now as I'm trying to teach Mac Mail's spam filter the ropes. I always hesitate to auto-delete emails in fear I might miss something. Being that I normally use Mac Mail, I'd have to sift through the **SPAM** mails generated by SpamAssassin anyways. As I'm teaching Mail to identify spam, I don't think counting one then the other would do anything more than confuse the process and make more work for me in the long run. (I could be wrong.)
- Using exclusively Mac Mail's spam filter I've manually sifted through over 7,000 spam messages in hopes to teach the software what I'm looking for it to identify.
- Of these 7,000 spam messages, I 'bounced' them all back using Mail... every one of them. This was done somewhat out of frustration, but if I understand this correctly spammers don't want to waste their time and resources emailing bad emails. By bouncing emails back to the source (if the spam email was valid) I'm hoping to get knocked off spam lists over time. I had a brief concern of server load, but everything was smooth. A drawback is many of the spam emails are not valid, so getting many returned mails is part of the process, and honestly it's worth it. (for me)
- I don't think my spam problem will ever go away entirely. I'll always have to manually scan all emails at least briefly. The hope is to get Mail's spam filter accurate so suspected spam is in a spam box, and my regular mail boxes are clean. When it's time to manually scan the junk mail box, in time it should be pretty quick.


Thank you to everyone's helpful responses, as Rick mentioned indeed I have much to learn!

Jan 9, 2007 7:03 AM in response to BrianKRoss

Thanks, Brian.
Let me read up on exim.

And I'm sending this out with nothing but warm fuzzies and a big wink:
As far as "rough"...perhaps...
I would have used the term concise. <smile>
or
not as tactful as i could have been.
or
less-than-diplomatic
or
something.

I work with 50 or 60 folks out here every week. All for free.
Last thing I want to be is "rough".
Sorry 🙂

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