What happens if I pull out one drive of a raid set?

If I have 2 drives set up as raid 1, (mirrors) and everything is fine, and I pull out one of the drives (physically from the case) will the remaining drive continue to operate as normal?

AND, if I later return the removed drive to the case, will the system see that it has returned and bring it up to speed with the other drive? (Remirror it).

Thanks
Andrew

quad zeon, Mac OS X (10.4.8), Mac OS X Server 10.4.8

Posted on Dec 16, 2006 10:28 AM

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Dec 16, 2006 12:09 PM in response to William Lloyd

I only have a Mac Pro Tower, not a Xserve Raid. Can I use Raid Admin for drives that are in the 4 slots of the Mac Pro Tower?

I was under the impression that I would just have to use Disk Utility.

If I use Disk Utility to set up the RAID1, will the same thing occur? When I put the removed drive back in, will it sync back up? or will I have to do something in Disk Utility?

Thanks
Andrew

quad zeon Mac Pro Mac OS X (10.4.8) Mac OS X Server 10.4.8

Dec 16, 2006 1:19 PM in response to Andrew Mcvinnie

Well, if you post in a forum dedicated to the product called Xserve RAID, then forgive me if I give advice related to that product 😉

You can't use RAID Admin for stuff in the Mac Pro. You need to use Disk Utility. I actually don't recall whether the sync is automatic or manual with OS X -- I suspect manual -- you probably need to something in Disk Utility to specify it should rebuild the mirror.

You'd probably have better luck checking the Mac OS X forum or the Mac Pro forum (the OS X forum is the "right" place as this is a software question) -- I'm sure this has come up over there pretty frequently.

Dec 16, 2006 1:50 PM in response to Andrew Mcvinnie

Why are you planning/expecting to do this?

The only thing that comes to mind is that you're trying to use the mirror as a backup drive of some kind. If that's the case, don't do this. It will probably work, but there are far better, more reliable ways of doing this.

For example, get an external FireWire drive and backup to that, either using Disk Utility to periodically clone your internal drive, or any number of free and/or commercial applications. By the time Leopard comes along you can use Time Machine to keep a (close to) real-time backup of your system on the external drive. If you want to store the backup off site you can do so, and any time you plug it back in the OS will synchronize any changes.

Breaking a mirror is a bad way of managing backups.

Dec 16, 2006 3:41 PM in response to Camelot

Yes, I'm sorry for posting in the wrong place. I thought the discussion was about RAID in concept, not a product with the word RAID in it. I didn't figure this out until after I posted.

And Yes, I was hoping to use this an off-site backup solution. Taking one of the RAID drives home with me. I have tried the full version of Retrospect 6.1 and it simply can't handle the 350gb of data at our newspaper office. In fact, dragging over sharepoints manually is a tough job for the Finder.

What type of back up solution would you recommend for 350 GB of huge data?

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Andrew

Dec 16, 2006 10:09 PM in response to Andrew Mcvinnie

Fortunately by today's standards 380GB is not all that big.
As Camelot says, breaking a not a good way to go.
You are also right that the Finder is not the best tool for this job. It should be able to copy the whole 380GB without issue- but it will have to take the whole lot.
Retrospect would be a better choice.
Retrospect can work in two ways
- It can copy all of the files over the first time, then subsequently only copy the files which have changed. It can also delete the files which have been deleted from the source disk. Then each day you will have a copy of your source, but not way to get back to yesterday or the day before. The files are stored in folders just like on the source.
- It can run a backup and store all of the files in a Retrospect file. Each day you run an incremental and it writes the changed files into the Retrospect file and keeps track of changes. You will need retrospect to recover the files, but you will also be able to recover files from yesterday (and as far back as your first backup run.

If your data set starts at 360GB, how much data actually changes each day? If you use a 500GB FW drive then you might be able to do a week on one drive. Get two and rotate them each week.
And leave the drive in the car. If you have a fire during the day and the backup drive is plugged into the server then your whole plan is for not.

Reese

Dec 16, 2006 10:25 PM in response to reese_

Yes, I have been trying to use Retrospect, but I have two problems:

First, it will not run at all on an Intel Mac forcing me to run it from a G4 on the Network.

Second, it runs like crap and crashes a lot! It cant even finish a full back up in order to get the Backup Set to a starting point for subsequent backups.

I have tried it on a fresh installs of OS X 10.4.8 and no go. So I have all but given up on it. An update to it would be nice, but with then being bought out, and the Windows version already up to 7.5, i figure they have forsaken us.

Andrew

Dec 17, 2006 1:12 AM in response to Andrew Mcvinnie

I used Retrospect quite a bit on OS9, great app. It's a shame when a great product gets bought and ship wrecked.
If you just want to sync the drive then it can be as easy as a line line script calling rsync, or there are a few apps out there.
If you want versions then, as Camelot said, you can wait for Time Machine in Leopard which should be out "this spring", or you can purchase another backup utility like BakBone or BRU (from Tolis Group).

You mentioned that you work for a News Paper. On 12/3 the SF Chronicle ran a big article titled "Google- The Lost Tapes". The article was a bit of a disappointment, but the punch line was that the tapes were 'lost' because a dispute among the the editorial staff resulted in a hard disk scrub party as some folks headed for the door.
Clearly that news paper did not have a working disaster recovery program in place. I would also suggest that you contact a professional in data retention and build a real disaster recovery program. If you have data you will loose data. Not a matter of if, but when.
Good luck.

Reese

Jan 28, 2007 9:02 AM in response to Bruce C

Believe it or not, I have solved my problem.

It was a bad SATA drive. Actually, its not "bad" per se, its just not manufactured to SATA standards. After long drawn out tech support calls to Seagate, I finally got a hold of a senior technical representative who was able to tell me that my HDD was manufactured prior to Seagate adopting the SATA stadands. So, although it looked and acted like a normal SATA drive, certain calls to the drive would cause it to spin down, making the computer think it had been disconnected.

Seagate replaced my drive with a new one, and everything works fine now, even Retrospect.

I would have never guessed in a million years that something like this was the problem, but with a new working drive, I have no problems.

Thanks
Andrew McVinnie

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