Can I use PowerLine Adaptors, with this configuration, in place of long Ethernet Cables?

I currently have one set of Netgear 1200 Powerline Adaptors set up in my home. The set is used to improve my son's PS4 performance – which is one floor below the modem. I have a Comcast Xfinity modem, and connect an Apple Time Capsule as my main router (which also backs up my iMac on the same (third) floor). Currently, on the first and second floors (of a 3 story home) I have a second generation Apple Expresses. Each Express repeats the wifi signal from the broader wifi network broadcast from the Time Capsule.


I've purchased two more Netgear Powerline Adaptors to see if they can work with the Apple Expresses in the same manner as the PS4. I expect I'd use this guide and set them up, with the Adaptors working as stand-ins for long Ethernet cables. I would use them to save on running cable and installation costs. Plus, PowerLine promises the best connection.


Can anyone confirm this? I don't see much info about this on the internet. So far, my son's PS4 has great connections speeds – as if it is next to the router. But what will happen when each Express is plugged into a Powerline Adaptor – that corresponds with the original (that is plugged into the router)?

Posted on Dec 7, 2016 11:34 AM

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Dec 7, 2016 12:56 PM in response to ShowDup

I've purchased two more Netgear Powerline Adaptors to see if they can work with the Apple Expresses in the same manner as the PS4. I expect I'd use this guide and set them up, with the Adaptors working as stand-ins for long Ethernet cables. I would use them to save on running cable and installation costs.

In theory, this will work.....but so much of the performance with powerline adapters depends on the electrical circuit layouts in a home, how far the signal must travel, whether there are air-conditioner or refrigerator compressors active at the time, etc......that is is not possible to predict how well....or if....powerline might work in any given home.


If you decide to connect the AirPort Express devices using powerline, they may....or may not work as well as a wireless connection. The fact they seem to be working well with the PS4 is encouraging as far as powerline in your home.


But in other words, the only way that you will know how well things might work.....it to try them out and see.


I expect I'd use this guide

Not recommended.....unless you have a Mac that is running an older 5.x version of AirPort Utility that would correspond with the examples and illustrations in the Apple support document. Unfortunately, although the article mentions that it was updated recently, none of the illustrations and examples cover the newer version of AirPort Utility 6.3.x, which has been included with Mac operating systems for the last 3+ years.


If your Mac is running AirPort Utility 6.3.x, best to ignore the old Apple support document and use the setup "wizard" that is included with recent AirPort Utility versions.


Plus, PowerLine promises the best connection.

That information is not correct. The "best" connection is always a wired Ethernet cable connection. Even if the powerline adapters are working well, they will almost always be slower than a wired Ethernet cable connection. In addition, powerline adapters can pick up electrical disturbances from the AC wiring, which can cause intermittent problems in some situations.

Dec 7, 2016 12:56 PM in response to Bob Timmons

Thanks for the info Bob. I think I'll go for it, knowing I can always go back to the current Wifi system I have. Would you agree?


I live in row house, in Center City Philly. So, even though my house is 3 floors, the electrical system is about 10 years old. Before I purchased it, my house was gutted and renovated for resale. Suffice to say, each floor isn't too far from each other. And my son's PS4 speed nearly quadrupled when using PowerLines vs the original Wifi signal.

Dec 7, 2016 1:01 PM in response to ShowDup

I think I'll go for it, knowing I can always go back to the current Wifi system I have. Would you agree?

Yes, especially if you have the option to return the adapters for credit or refund if things don't work out with them.


And my son's PS4 speed nearly quadrupled when using PowerLines vs the original Wifi signal.

Would be interested in your results with the AirPort Express and powerline adapters if you have the time to follow up.

Dec 12, 2016 7:53 AM in response to ShowDup

Success! So far, so good, in my set-up.


In review, my Comcast issued Xfinity X1 Modem lives on my third floor (in my office) – at the back of my rowhouse home in Philadelphia. The modem connects to my Apple Time Capsule, which serves as the main router. The "main" PowerLine Outlet Adapter (Netgear 1200) connects to the Time Capsule via Ethernet, plugged into a wall electrical outlet next to it.


On the second floor, at the front of the house, I have the other Outlet PowerLine Adapter connected to my son's PS4. In the same room, a (non outlet Netgear 1200) PowerLine Adapter is connected to an Apple Express via Ethernet. On the first floor, at the back of the house in the kitchen, another (non outlet) PowerLine Adapter is connected to a second Apple Express via Ethernet.


I set the Time Capsule and two Express units to Bridge Mode and to create their own wireless network. The caveat, each units' network name is the same, with the same password and security settings.


With this set up, the Time Capsule covers virtually the entire third floor, as well as the back of the house on the second floor (a small bedroom). The second floor Express covers the entire front of the house (another bedroom), including the third floor (master bedroom) and first floor (living room). The first floor Express covers the leftovers at the back of the house (the kitchen). I've instructed my family to toggle their iPads' wifi connection on and off when going from one place to another, if necessary. For example, if they go from their bedrooms to the kitchen, it's worth it to toggle their iPads' wifi for a stronger connection.


With respect to speed, multiple tests have shown considerable improvement over the previous network setup. In all zones of the house I've achieved a range of 120-240Mbps download speeds. Likewise, on the second floor PS4, it reports the same. I am not an expert on tests or network activity, but I've seen overall slightly slower speeds on weekends versus weekdays (I work from home). Perhaps this attributes to Comcast's overall traffic versus my personal set up. Also, I have seen some degradation from the third floor Time Capsule to the first floor Express on weekends. For example, the Time Capsule zone achieves 150Mbps, the second floor Express gets 95Mbps and the kitchen Express gets 85Mbps. But at this point on a Monday afternoon, I've found 240Mbps speeds throughout the house.


In the end, I report that the set up with the PowerLine Adapters has been vastly superior in speed and consistency with respect to my previous classic Wifi extended network. The most apt indicator, I've had no Dad, the Wifi is broken! comments from my kids. I believe that the PowerLine Adapter network is better than a classic extended network if you live in a relatively new home with a modern electrical network. Also, it's as close as one can get to a fully Ethernet wired network – and saves costs on the purchase of long wires as well as the time/fees necessary to build/route/hide wires from running through your home.

Dec 12, 2016 8:03 AM in response to ShowDup

Sounds like the powerline adapters are doing a nice job with your home's electrical system.


For example, the Time Capsule zone achieves 150Mbps, the second floor Express gets 95Mbps and the kitchen Express gets 85Mbps.

The 85-95 Mbps numbers would be expected, since the AirPort Express Ethernet ports are limited to 100 Mbps.


But at this point on a Monday afternoon, I've found 240Mbps speeds throughout the house.

Not sure how this could be.....since the Expresses are limited to 100 Mbps max speeds.....unless you are saying that your wireless devices are only connecting to the Time Capsule wireless, and not connecting to either AirPort Express.

Dec 12, 2016 8:11 AM in response to Bob Timmons

You are correct Bob. I thought I properly toggled my wifi on and off in the kitchen (which is the furthest unit from the modem and router). I tried again down there and secured 95Mbps. I was not aware that the Express units cap at 100Mbps. But I am glad to know that fact, so this will make me not worry I'm not achieving the same results of the Time Capsule. But it also brings clarity to the fact that I am likely maxing out each Apple device throughout the house – which is a better result.

Dec 12, 2016 8:25 AM in response to ShowDup

Thanks for the clarification.....but I am really confused.


If you can get 240 Mbps service throughout the house as you note above......then why would you manually switch to pick up the wireless from an AirPort Express that is limited to much lower speeds?


If you really do get 240 Mbps service throughout the house......you don't need either of the AirPort Express devices.....unless you plan to use them for use with AirPlay. It that might be the case, then you could turn off the WiFi on each Express and use them as wired AirPlay devices.


As it stands, the Expresses are severely limiting the wireless performance of your network for any devices that connect to either Express wireless.

Dec 12, 2016 8:26 AM in response to Bob Timmons

On the first test, I was in the back of the house on the second floor, directly above the kitchen's Express. And I probably still had the Time Capsule connection. On the old network, I was never able to get a true connection from the Time Capsule (before the Express' were part of the network) in various parts of the house, I suspect, due to the stone and brick in the way.


I have no current need for AirPlay in my house.

Dec 12, 2016 8:33 AM in response to ShowDup

I'm sorry, but I do not think you are understanding what I am trying to say.


On the first test, I was in the back of the house on the second floor, directly above the kitchen's Express. And I probably still had the Time Capsule connection

Yes, you had to have had the Time Capsule 240 Mbps connection......because the Express connection could not ever exceed 100 Mbps.


So, when you did connect to the Express wireless.....your wireless connection dropped from 240 Mbps to 85-95 Mbps.


What I can't understand is why anyone would want to connect at 85-95 Mbps when 240 Mbps was available.


The Expresses are limiting the performance of your network.....not helping it.


But, its' your call.

Dec 12, 2016 8:39 AM in response to Bob Timmons

I will experiment with it. And I understand your point. I would likely go solo with the Time Capsule if Comcast had installed the modem in the middle of my home. But it's in the corner on the third floor. It's a house of a lot of brick and stone, and the signal from the third floor has trouble reaching further parts of the house away from the Time Capsule.

Dec 12, 2016 8:47 AM in response to ShowDup

Hope that things will become more clear for you as you test. But, I think that you will find things are really as simple as this......


If you have a good connection on the device that you are using......say it's 200-240 Mbps, for example.....and for some reason you want to drop the connection down to 85-95 Mbps......you can toggle the WiFi on the wireless device so that it might pick up the much lower speed connection from the closest AirPort Express.

Dec 12, 2016 9:17 AM in response to Bob Timmons

In my test, I turned off the second floor Express network. My iPhone 6s held the connection from the Time Capsule down there, and only achieved 9Mbps in a speed test. In turning the Express network back on, I got 95Mbps.


The interference and suppression of the original Time Capsule signal in my house is significant as it tries to pass through walls and floor/ceilings. It's not an option to rely on the Time Capsule signal, and I only have older Express units to fortify the rest of my house. 85-95 is of course better than nothing.

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