What's the best app to write a book in besides pages?

Writing a memoir, best

Posted on Dec 29, 2016 10:19 AM

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Dec 29, 2016 11:40 AM in response to Kappy

Scrivener and Ulysses are directed at fiction writers and other creative writing, but not serious work such as a memoir.


Ya think? How about Masters thesis of 25k words and 2 k references done in Ulysses and 75% and counting of a PhD thesis (Current word count: 62k) with in excess of 4k references done in Scrivener? That serious enough for you?


Fact, fiction, Academic whatever. They all need structure and rewriting, they all need organisation. These apps are created for writers.

Jan 12, 2017 2:14 PM in response to Yer_Man

First, you do one, then the other. Publishers can more easily work with InD files than any word processor. And, if the writing is for any form of published distribution, even if self-published, then InD is the best choice, period. I've done this before, several times, so I know well of what I say.


Now, if all you want is a word processor then use Word. Again, there is no better choice. Scrivener and Ulysses are directed at fiction writers and other creative writing, but not serious work such as a memoir.

Dec 29, 2016 12:11 PM in response to Yer_Man

Try Ph.D. dissertation published in 1981 with 262 pages personally typeset in the predecessor to InDesign. Personally, typeset and published three books using an early version of InDesign. A fourth book, written with InDesign. Vitas and 50 published and presented academic papers. I hold the reading equivalent of a Ph.D. candidate in English Lit. and a BA in English Lit. My Ph.D. is in Finance.


Am I impressed, you ask? No, not even close. Neither Scrivener nor Ulysses is up to the writing standards my work has required. APA requirements.


If you had 2,000 references in your master's thesis, then what did you actually do? The same question related to your in-progress dissertation? Sounds more like you are writing references, not a thesis.

Dec 29, 2016 2:20 PM in response to Yer_Man

BTW, Terry, just so you won't feel slighted in any way, I had a 25-year academic career after a 10-year career in business. I've been retired since 2000. I am an Emeritus Professor. I've been down your road a long time ago. Making such comparisons is really useless. Nevertheless, I truly do recognize your achievements now and yet to come. It is hard work. You deserve to feel satisfied with what you have accomplished.

Dec 29, 2016 4:06 PM in response to Kappy

Try Ph.D. dissertation published in 1981 with 262 pages personally typeset in the predecessor to InDesign


But why would a PHD Candidate - or any author - be concerned with typesetting? Writing is writing. Typesetting is an entirely different trade, with all due respect. Page layout comes long after the volume is written. And yes both apps are quite capable of working to APA standards, both can and do integrate with reference managers and both are now common in Academia, at least with those than can be chiseled away from Word. They are used by fiction writers and non-fiction writers. Check out the testimonials page on the Scrivener website sometime.


The business of writing - of research, drafting, redrafting, brainstorming, structuring and restructuring - is facilitated by these apps, designed for this purpose. Finish the book. Then export it to any page layout app you choose.


Rush of blood to the head on the citations - they should be 200 and 400 respectively. In my field a reference at about 200 words is common. You'd think I'd know what k means wouldn't you?

Dec 29, 2016 7:47 PM in response to Yer_Man

Terry,


Hopefully, you will find that it isn't so much typesetting your dissertation as it is creating a well-presented document with proper graphs, citations, footnotes, etc. I might have done that using Word, but once you typeset a document you can't go back to plain, old word processing. The quality of one's work is as important as the quantity. Looks are everything. Despite the contrary people really do tell the book by its cover. First appearances are the most important.


I've read all the reviews and have used both programs. Pages is not Word. Not even close. For my needs, I do not want something that may work with other programs needed in order to provide non-existent capabilities. Scrivener is somewhat better as is Ulysses, but neither can do what Word can do. With InDesign, I can use any word processor or TextEdit. Hardly makes a difference what I use for the writing. I then rely on InDesign to produce my finished, typeset document. I suppose for something with more than 50-60 pages one might prefer Word for its large document handling.


But in the end, you use whatever tools you prefer. When I was active there were much fewer tools available. When I worked on my textbook I started with Word 1.0 on a CP/M computer. Pagemaker 1.0 (the original predecessor of InDesign) could not do facing page numbering. I had to wait for 2.0 in order to do that and line up the last text lines on the facing pages. For very large documents, like books, Word became the best tool. InDesign excelled with the layout, Word with document size. There are better writing tools today than 20 years ago, but today I still prefer Word. I don't need to use InDesign anymore. However, today I hardly need more than TextEdit. I mostly use Word to read someone else's document.

Dec 29, 2016 8:01 PM in response to Yer_Man

Philosophically, the story is different. It really doesn't make much of a difference how one writes. It's up to the writer to find the tools that help the most with the work. What works best for you may not work well for me. I'm happiest with one tool capable of the full job. I'm unsure there is such an animal. There is creative writing of fiction, non-fiction, prose, drama, and poetry. There is no single tool that is best for all five (or even one, perhaps.) There is technical writing that is completely different. I've looked at a great many so-called word processors most of which are lacking. Everyone works differently, hence, they are attracted to different tools best suited to their working styles.


So, I'm thinking. 400 citations for a 250-page document is almost two citations per page. I don't know that I used that many in my dissertation. Seems like a lot. Just my thoughts at work.

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