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Digital audio to receiver from MacBook Pro

How best to get digital audio from my 2016 MacBook Pro to my receiver, using minimal $ and cable clutter? Ideally, this would be an adapter that attached to one of the 3 USB-C ports off the back of my 5K LG Thunderbolt 3 monitor, to maintain the clean one cable desk solution, but that USB-C to optical audio adapter doesn't seem to exist.


I attached the receiver via a USB-C to HDMI adapter, which works if I attach it to an extra USB-C port on the opposite side to where the monitor is attached (negative point 1). Although digital audio passes just fine, MacOS automatically creates an extra display for the HDMI connection, although none is attached, creating an extra space where windows can go to die (negative point 2).


In the interim I have settled for connecting the receiver via the headphone port for stereo sound (I apparently am one of the few that has used the optical function in previous MacBook Pro's headphone jacks).


Here are the best solutions I've yet devised. Will 2 or 3 work? Or is there a better solution or adapter I haven't yet found?


Solutions:

  1. OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock ($300). Yes, sure this will work, easy as pie, but it's overkill, overpriced, and I was hoping to otherwise embrace USB-C and avoid more cable and desk clutter. Other new docks don't specify digital audio output.
  2. Chromecast audio connected to optical input of the receiver ($35). I am not sure if this will appear as an overall audio output device from MacOS. If it would this seems perfect.
  3. Old iPhone 4S (free) + iPhone HDMI adapter ($39) connected to the reciever, plus some old 30pin USB cable to charge it somehow. Install Airfoil on the old iPhone to make the iPhone & receiver appear as an Airplay target for audio.
  4. Some magical lightweight Airplay bridge that attaches to receiver via optical or HDMI, which I haven't yet found.

MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2016), macOS Sierra (10.12.2)

Posted on Jan 7, 2017 10:34 AM

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Posted on Jan 18, 2017 11:08 AM

I ordered this USB-C DAC from HiFiMe, and it seems to work decently, both in stereo for music and for 5.1 digital audio when choosing AC3 digital passthrough in iTunes. That's the most cost effective solution I could find for myself.

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Jan 7, 2017 11:19 AM in response to timneyb

How best to get digital audio from my 2016 MacBook Pro to my receiver, using minimal $ and cable clutter? Ideally, this would be an adapter that attached to one of the 3 USB-C ports off the back of my 5K LG Thunderbolt 3 monitor, to maintain the clean one cable desk solution, but that USB-C to optical audio adapter doesn't seem to exist.

Actually, it would be best to just connect an audio optical digital cable with a 3.5 mm mini plug/TOSlink adapter on one end and the appropriate digital connector for your receiver.


The MacBook Pro's audio port supports both two-channel linear PC and Encoded Digital Audio formats, like Dolby Digital and DTS.


For PCM, it supports 16, 20, or 24 bits per sample at rates of 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 96 kHz ... and for the newer (2013+) Macs, both 176.4 & 192 kHz.


For AC-3, it supports 16 bits per sample at same rates.


Ref: Apple Support - Play high sample rate digital audio on Mac computers

Aug 6, 2017 2:54 PM in response to timneyb

Unfortunately the OWC dock might not work. Looks like OWC cheated out on the hardware. I did pre order one for other reasons and am hoping the S/PDIF will output DD and DTS like the old Mac's did. So frustrated Apple removed the digital out. Of course they didn't really publish it so I found out once I bought the machine. I have already spend over $400 on accessories just to replace the functionally I already had in older macs.


OWC Knowledge base



Thunderbolt 3 Dock: S/PDIF Audio

Created on: July 10, 2017

Relevant Part Numbers:

OWCTB3DK13PSL, OWCTB3DK13PSG


Please note that S/PDIF is output-only. The S/PDIF connection in the Thunderbolt 3 Dock is driven by a CMedia CM6533N chipset.

This chipset provides the following capabilities over S/PDIF:

  • Two (2)-channel DAC for audio output
    • mono and stereo source playback supported
    • a limited number of DTS playback environments may allow for 5.1 output, however this is not an officially supported feature.
  • Sample Rates: 44.1K/48K/88.2K/96KHz
  • Bit Length: 16/24 bits

Jan 7, 2017 12:28 PM in response to Tesserax

Thanks, but unfortunately the new 2016 MacBook Pro's headphone port is downgraded from the previous model, and does not double as an optical digital audio output. I have such a cable serving my MacMini.


So, I need to get audio out of USB-C and convert it to TOSlink using an adapter (which I haven't found, or at least haven't found for less than $300), or stream it out to a bridge (which on further reading sounds problematic due to video/audio lag).

Jan 7, 2017 12:56 PM in response to timneyb

Argh, you're right. Sorry about that! One more "nail for the coffin" on these new "improved" MacBook Pros IMHO.


The multi-adapter approach is mind boggling, but more importantly, can be seen as a detriment to getting high quality digital audio directly out of the Mac. In theory, there are supposed to be a number of zero-latency (sorry, but there will always be some latency introduced when using adapters) USB-C adapters with optical audio.


... and, you're right again, in that very little appears out there as for adapters to resolve this. The closest thing I found was the USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter offered at the online Apple Store. In theory, then you would still need an HDMI-to-optical digital adapter. Maybe something like this from Monoprice? Wow, what a mess!


A similar issue appeared with the 4th gen Apple TV removing its optical digital for a USB-C port.

Jan 7, 2017 1:15 PM in response to Tesserax

Yep, it is a bit of a mess. Not enough not to upgrade from a flagging and dying 2010 MacBook Pro though. For me digital audio quality is a nicety that I feel I should have, not an absolute deal breaker. But with a receiver at my knees and 5.1 speakers sitting around me just asking to be used properly, it seems silly not be be able to use them only in analog stereo. Perhaps in a year there will be some simple USB-C solution, but in the meantime it would have been nice for Apple to have kept the optical output available as an option.


As to what you said about HDMI to optical conversion, I actually trialled using HDMI directly into the receiver, using a USB-C to HDMI adapter. I instantly had 5.1 channel audio, but the OS automatically makes a "display" space for the new A/V connection, even though there is no monitor attached at the end of the chain. Windows then get captured in this imaginary additional display. I fear any multiport converter would do the same. I wish I could tell the OS to only use an HDMI connection only for audio output, and ignore trying to send video, but apparently not.

Jan 18, 2017 8:36 PM in response to timneyb

I agree 100% what a pain in the butt. The previous model MacBook pro had optical and USB as audio out options but as far as I can find the current MacBook Pro only offers USB-C to a HDMI adapter then a HDMI adapter to optical. Which is whole lot of crap to contend with compared to a simple headphone jack with optical out. I don't mind Apple pushing things along but they need to offer viable alternatives before implementation instead of putting us through this carp. If this is the best Apple can come up with it's just plain pathetic because there isn't a viable option until someone develops a USB-C to a quality audio out and not just to a 3.5mm jack.

Jan 19, 2017 4:53 AM in response to debmerch

Note, the USB-C DAC I mentioned in my last post takes USB-C audio and outputs to the same combination headphone/toslink port that used to be on the MacBook Pro. I used the headphone shaped optical connector from my old system from that into my receiver and can now pass through 5.1 digital sound, at least where it's available to be passed through. For $70 I have what I used to.

Aug 14, 2017 3:20 PM in response to timneyb

TL;DR:

I liked S/PDIF output from my Macs, because it yielded great audio quality when the external DAC is on, and silence when the DAC is off. Apple is no longer including S/PDIF in the headphone jack of the new MacBook Pros. Fortunately, S/PDIF is included in the OWC Thunderbolt Dock.


DETAILS:

I just discovered that my "new" MacBook Pro 2016 does not include mini S/PDIF (optical digital audio) output. I will miss it. I used it all the time on the iMac that it replaces.


I connect to a Schiit Audio Modi 2 Uber D/A converter, coupled with a Magni 2 Uber headphone amplifier). I bought the "Uber" version of the Modi 2, because has three inputs: S/PDIF, USB, and analog audio. The S/PDIF input was important to me. The non-Uber version has only USB.


Why S/PDIF? Because the mini S/PDIF jack silenced the iMac output. If I switch the Modi on, then I get sound. If I switch it off, I get silence because the mini S/PDIF is still inserted in the iMac's headphone jack, and the iMac doesn't know that the Modi DAC is turned off.


I could use the USB input, but if the Modi is switched off, then the iMac (or MacBook Pro) will sense that it is not there, and automatically switch to the internal speakers, which I don't want. I guess I will be forced to use the USB input if I must connect directly to the MacBook Pro, because I don't want to use analog (the MacBook Pro's internal DAC and amplifier, yuck!).


I also have an OWC Thunderbolt Dock. It has a standard S/PDIF connector on the back. That should work - yielding silence when the Modi is turned off, but I will have to wait until I can get a standard/standard S/PDIF Toslink cable. (All I have at hand are mini to standard Toslink cables.)


I hope this information helps someone.

Digital audio to receiver from MacBook Pro

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