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Store and play music in iCloud drive (without iCloud Music Library)

Hello,


I have used Apple Music and iCloud music library for a while so i am aware that apples default solution for cloud music is subscribing to apple music.


now, i am planning to upgrade my icloud storage to be able to used icloud Photos library. but i'll still have more than 50 gbs of free space in icloud.

i was wondering if it is possible to backup my music folder in icloud drive and then be able to play music from it using 3rd party ios apps? apps that let users do the same with other cloud services like dropbox and google drive are available in the app store. but couldn't find one for icloud.

iPhone 6s Plus, iOS 10.2.1

Posted on Mar 4, 2017 1:17 PM

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Posted on Mar 4, 2017 3:16 PM

You aren't using Dropbox or Google Drive though.


Icloud drive is not designed to feed music to an app. Third party apps may not be able to access icloud drive as a source. Ios is a controlled system and has restrictions on what apps can do.

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Mar 8, 2017 8:11 PM in response to LACAllen

Hello,


Allow me to explain...


I still end up having unused space (five times the size of my music library!) in iCloud storage (which I was intending to upgrade, to use iCloud Photos library).


So basically if i avail for the 200gb slot on iCloud (my photos library being a little less than 100gb), i'll have about 100 gbs of space I really don't need. my music library is less than 20gb. and to get that on cloud i need more paid subscription!


In-fact, in the 3 days that followed since this thread, I ended up moving my iCloud documents to google drive's free storage instead and have decided to use google photos or similar 3rd party app that can back up my camera roll photos in background for free when I am travelling. Thus, downgrading to the 5gb free plan from the 50gb one i was using (with nearly 35 gbs laying waste at all times).


Over the years, nothing about iCloud has made sense to me (neither its pricing, nor its quotas) except its promise for seamless and deep integration... which comes at a heavy penalty.... like having to rebuild all playlists again (from the last time i used apple music) to finding out files haven't synced in iWork suites on my iPhone when I need them most. And also the pain iCloud its integration has been in my work as an ios developer.


if 'icloud' music library can stream, so should 'icloud' drive be able to. like contemporary cloud services can.


BTW, have absolutely no idea what your analogy of 're-inventing the wheel' has to do in this discussion.🙂

Mar 4, 2017 5:11 PM in response to AceNeerav

OK... but why re-invent the wheel?


Consider, if you don't want Apple Music, but still want a streaming iCloud Music library, iTunes Match.


$28 a year and you load up your own music. You can store 100,000 tracks and the space is included in your annual fee, not part of your paid iCloud storage. Cheaper than extra iCloud storage and no compromise on streaming quality.


An iCloud Music Library was built to stream. iCloud Drive was not.


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Mar 8, 2017 10:47 PM in response to AceNeerav

Sorry, but if the concept of paying for X space and only using Y space bothers you, I feel you're going to find all cloud providers bothersome. They all do it this way. Even the "unlimited" guys have factored in a fee that may be, when calculated per GB, be more $$$ than you could possibly pay.


Do you lament that fact that your 2TB hard drive has only 1.25TB of data on it? Does that mean you paid too much for the hard drive? Must all storage be at max to be a smart investment?


You see waste where I don't. Do you really expect a cloud provider to tweak your available space, and the price for it, on an ongoing basis? Apple's iCloud Music Library essentially does this in a different way. They cap you by tracks, not space. A library has 100,000 tracks, regardless of how much space those tracks occupy.


Reinvent the wheel in that you want a service/system tweaked in a way that mostly exists now. You want Apple to host your music, but someone else's app to play it.


if 'icloud' music library can stream, so should 'icloud' drive be able to. like contemporary cloud services can.


It can because that's what it does. iCloud Drive is a different tool.


"if my hammer can drive nails, so should my phillips screwdriver..."


"nice car, too bad it can't fly..."


In-fact, in the 3 days that followed since this thread, I ended up moving my iCloud documents to google drive's free storage instead and have decided to use google photos or similar 3rd party app that can back up my camera roll photos in background for free when I am travelling.


I really struggle with posts that contain this underlying vague level of threat. Go to another provider if that suits your need. It's clear you see gaps in features.


Feedback for Apple goes here >>> http://www.apple.com/feedback/


If nothing about iCloud makes sense to you, why are we having this conversation? Go and use Google. You're an iOS developer and you don't agree with Apple's business approach or implementation of one of its core offerings?


And I do not consider Google's drive space to be free at all. They grab rights to your photos simply because they host them for you. Without further ado, they have the right to use your photos to promote themselves. When you use their mail service, they monitor and harvest your interests and keywords from your conversations and sell that data. Hardly "free".

Mar 9, 2017 2:22 PM in response to AceNeerav

I am hardly being defensive.

No customer can expect a company to have a product which is 100% tailored to their need. But it only makes sense to express discontent (when questioned as to why ask for changes - 're-invent the wheel')


This is exactly what you seem to expect when you make a statement like...

if 'icloud' music library can stream, so should 'icloud' drive be able to. like contemporary cloud services can.

You are suggesting Apple make a service to match other un-named services.


Again, the equivalent logic of "if planes can fly, so should cars be able to..."


iCloud Music Library and iCloud Drive are two completely different things. That they both have iCloud in their name doesn't make them interchangeable.


This started because you wanted to use the extra iCloud Storage space you would be committing to, to store and stream music. Not optimal. It may work, but streaming music from iCloud drive is not a core feature that you will find support on. You asked if there as an app that did this. What developer is going to craft an app that may not work well? I would think the absence of such an app proves my point.


There's an app for everything. There is page full of apps for popping virtual bubble wrap. None to stream music from iCloud Drive. Must not be a market or it doesn't work well.



By all means, offer your Feedback to Apple and post constructive criticism here.


Feedback for Apple goes here >>> http://www.apple.com/feedback/


It was your post about going to the competition that turned the tone here. IMO if you are talking about going to the competition, that's not showing any interest in making change at all. That's a veiled, underlying threat. Not constructive criticism.


You hint at some sinister "heavy penalty" without offering much context. It seems you had issues before with playlists and syncing documents. Fair enough. iCloud and the cloud based music Library are not terribly mature systems and are under constant tweaking. Maybe your issues have been or could be addressed.


If you don't see iCloud as reasonably priced and 'reliable' (your quotes not mine) than by all means move on. There are an estimated 850,000,000 iCloud accounts in daily use. It seems Apple has got it mostly right.

Mar 9, 2017 8:03 AM in response to LACAllen

I don't see what makes you so defensive? No customer can expect a company to have a product which is 100% tailored to their need. But it only makes sense to express discontent (when questioned as to why ask for changes - 're-invent the wheel') if competitors of the company's product you love to use (and otherwise find more value for money) steal the show. Apple's hardware shows the door to every other tech giant out there. Have been exclusive on apple ecosystem since almost a decade now. But a reasonable priced and 'reliable' cloud serivce (as of 2017) is imperative to bring out best of a smart tech one has.

Mar 9, 2017 7:14 PM in response to LACAllen

The fact that there might not be an app that doesn’t get iCloud right could be because those apps that don’t get it right are the ones that aren’t published with iCloud at the first place. That said, even 'many' of those that do, are having problems and have to ship upgrades with alternatives. It means that developers aren't streaming music from iCloud because either its not possible to (via APIs) at the first place Or it wont go through the app review process, like bluetooth file transfer for music (which i agree to. buying music adds a whole new dimension to how you value it and thus enjoy it).


THAT said... I would encourage you to explore reputed developer networks like stackoverflow and read what app developers have to say (or even app developers who blog), about integrating icloud. A simple google search would do the trick.


When apple does introduce corrections (like CloudKit in place of Core-data with iCloud) it leaves a lot desiring for developers who have existing code and customer base in terms of having apis that take the load off bridging the gap.



Now coming back to the 'tone’… from the original post to the replies… were all centred around what iCloud could do and what I expect out from it as a user, both in terms of capabilities and pricing. It only makes sense to talk in terms of competition. Market economy thrives on competition where the customer is the king. That competition that establishes the fact that the competitors are making planes as well. Now if you call an android phone with google drive and a windows phone with onedrive, a car, while referring to an iphone with icloud as a plane... i can understand (in all humility)... that we are on the same boat. As i use many of such vague analogies to my mostly non-apple circle of people to defend why i keep investing in apple hardware (when it really is software and internet services which we buy a smart device for).

There is an app for everything. Sure... even to make farting sounds... that top the charts! I am sure, with that kind of chartbusting success, many would have integrated icloud as well to sync farting sounds across iDevices! (Pun intended).


When you complain of criticism (constructive or otherwise), I want to remind you of the original post (which was a straight forward question), your first reply to it and then my reply to yours….

I asked ..

"i was wondering if it is possible to backup my music folder in icloud drive and then be able to play music from it using 3rd party ios apps?"

... to which I gave context (with respect to the competition I seek to see my investment being above to, as justified earlier in this reply).

Instead of a simple yes or no and maybe some technical insight into why (which would had marked the answer solved and called it a day), you tell me its a controlled system. It only shows you do not understand the difference between controlled and curated (since otherwise you are keen in explaining how the word iCloud in both the services doesnt mean its interchangeable). And the reply to it (about me considering to other cloud services) was to that word 'though' at the end of the first sentence beginning your reply. If it was controlled then 3rd party apps might not be allowed to link to 3rd party cloud services at the first place. Maybe there wouldn't be 3rd party apps at all! And to my defence, its 're-invent the wheel' that set the tone. That reply wasn't even necessary. If you want to justify as to why iCloud is better in terms of pricing and capabilities, you should be willing to listen to as to why the original poster feels it is Not. In relevance to which i not only mentioned the ‘penalty’ but also what those penalties were (garbled playlists. and now to add, duplicate playlists, songs being replaced with a different version, songs missing as they are not available in apple music… least i would expect is to read about it upfront when signing on). And from the first post itself i have mentioned i have used the service (not just the free trial of it). I am sure with your fondness for the service (or a lack-of… for anything or anyone against it) you are already aware of it. But still if you have to say i didnt give references to those penalties... google is your friend! (Or maybe yahoo!)


85 million iCloud users is a small number to me for a company that has sold over a billion iPhones. Sure, many of them aren't even iCloud capable but then the numbers of iPhones sold each year has always been upwards and iCloud has been here since 2011. And we aren't even taking into account iPads and macs sold that could be the 'only' apple device a user 'might' have. That said... the numbers would had made some sense in terms of iCloud's worthiness (even within its user base)... if users also had the option to delete their iCloud account altogether!


iCloud wasn't mean to stream.

In all humility, it was my use of the word ‘stream’ in a later reply, that lead to the confusion. The truth is neither can. ‘icloud’ storage isnt (as i learnt from this thread) and iCloud music library is merely ’stores’ music in ‘icloud’, then downloads or buffers the track before playback. Its apple music that is really ‘music streaming’ albeit with the same technicalities (stored on devices or buffered and then played ) in coherences with the idea of 'streaming music' (from ‘competitors’ like in Spotify). But in all fairness, your pointing it out shows to me your focus ‘might’ not have been in explaining or solving an issue (as expected from your 'level' on this forum) but rather, maybe, to get back at me with what you feel is a 'threat' of non- constructive 'criticism' (as opposed to a simple… discussion).


Keeping in mind the history of these, ahem, 'discussions' forums as to how condescending participants with a higher ‘level’ can get on important topics like iphones bending, and antennas not working and home buttons failing, etc (until apple accepts the fact)… i do not blame you of the nature of your replies. its still better than the years of asking for solutions in microsoft’s newsgroups… it is still a ‘discussion’ of some sort.


ALL THAT SAID… a reality check (for all of us apple lovers) would be, as to how long are the users of a company’s products… willing to take such discussions… which, to anyone seeking ‘ease of use’ and ‘seamless integrity’ with a relevant pricing and distribution (compared to the competition)… which clearly comes across as evangelism.


Said that, i mark one of your post as solved and call it a day.


Peace.

Mar 9, 2017 7:32 PM in response to AceNeerav

although i called it a day... i'll like to add... the idea of icloud music library tied up with apple music Or not letting users store and stream music from icloud storage isn't bad in itself.


maybe apple should offer another subscription specifically for icloud photos. again, like google photos has. not even saying that it should have any free music or photos storage options like google has.


the promise of icloud, if delivered right, would make an idevice a killer even in this new arena of cloud services. and one thing is sure that users are willing to pay for anything that is as beautiful as what apple makes. and even take the trouble of sorting out their playlists once in a while.


my understanding is...

there must be very few 'end users' (as opposed to corporate users) who would want to store as much as 200gbs of personal files on cloud unless it is media content. and for most of such users, 1 TB plan would be the obvious choice.


if the content is not pirated, one would still consider getting a cheaper monthly subscription of streaming video/audio services, rather than have such content in cloud for occasional viewing with a subscription plan.


if it is pirated... only a fool is gonna keep it in the cloud.


but otherwise i dont think there are many users who would want 200gbs to store documents.

Oct 7, 2017 8:19 AM in response to AceNeerav

I agree. You can't back up to iCloud. You can't stream from iCloud. What the **** is the point? If I wanted a cloud desktop site to share documents between my devices I would use something designed to actually work with my productivity tools like Sharepoint and One Drive. As it is now, my paid 2TB iCloud account can't do what a freeware dropbox account can. It's nonsense.


I get really tired of Apple trolls who try to get us to do Apple's singular and restrictive way of doing things. Its so obviously not about what the customer wants; It's about protecting Apple's dollars. I like the idea of a professionalized unix based system, but the refusal to listen to customers really makes me think about switching to windows. All downloads must go in a downloads folder, and why would ever want to open an accdb file, and why would you ever want to be reminded of something before its due? I said the thing about Sharepoint because the windows version of Office is the only thing that can do the things it does, because Apple won't listen to its customers and create a descent productivity suite. Pages?? Really?? For christ sakes open office is better. I'm sorry the desire to touch a stylus to my 1200 dollar MacBook Pro screen so I can easily sign a document or draw what my professor is drew offends you. Oh I can you say? I just need to buy this other 1000 dollar tablet with the limited operating system and hard drive space? Do I put both in my already book laden backpack, or have you found a way for iOS to run Autocad?


I have over 120 gb of music. I want access to all of it, not 3/4. Why should I have to pay another 24 bucks a year when I am already paying 120 a year for iCloud? I should be able to put my music on icloud and play straight from iTunes or the iOS music app. Thats it. Thats what we want. Just do it already.

Dec 14, 2017 11:18 AM in response to AceNeerav

I'd like to see this as well. Ive stopped using iTunes and started using Swinsian. An alternative music app which works a lot like iTunes used too before it got a bit too bloated for my liking. It doesn't have an iOS counterpart though. I keep its library in iCloud Drive so I have a constant back up since I have plenty of free space on there.


At the moment im adding all the files too iTunes as well and listening to them on my iPhone using iTunes Match but its not a very elegant solution! If I could point an app at the library folder in the iCloud Drive that would be awesome.

Store and play music in iCloud drive (without iCloud Music Library)

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