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MAC PRO 4,1 and 5,1 PCIe AUX Power

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Mac Pro 4,1 & 5,1 have plenty of PCIe AUX power, unless you need more than 300 watts for your GPU(s). Remember you get 75 watts from the PCIe slot for GPU cards. Each PCIe AUX 6 pin connector in the Mac Pro towers delivers 150 watts. Yes all three power pins in both of the PCIe AUX plugs are connected. The PCIe specifications don't required pin numb
er two to have power, but it also does not prohibit it either. In the MAC Pro 4,1 / 5,1 it is connected. To be clear, this delivers the same power as a 8 pin connector without the extra sense and grounding pin on the 8 pin plug. Just buy the correct 6 to 8 Pin PCIe AUX cables and you ar
e all set. I'm running a NVIDIA STRIX 980 Ti OC with two 8 pin plugs (150w + 150w + 75w = 375w). The Mac Pro 900+ watt power supply can handle it. I also have t
wo 130 watt x5690s. No issues during stress testing.
Make an intelligent choice. If you use something more, it should wear out sooner. Some of these machines are 7 years old and taxing a 7 year old power supply can cause it to reset or become inoperative.
In researching this topic, GPU cards can have the 8-pin connector, but this has not been standardized yet, these cards do not carry the official PCI Express logo. This configuration will likely be standardized by PCI-SIG with the PCI Express 4.0 standard. But the design is there for these power hungry GPUs. Here is some great information about computer power and how much you can use.
http://www.overclock.net/a/gpu-and-cpu-power-connections

Posted on Mar 7, 2017 8:34 AM

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Mar 22, 2017 1:31 PM in response to syops

Hi again!

So i managed to find a 6 to 8 pin adapter. First test with the GTX 970 was disappointing. I rendered 4 layers(3 of the scaled) of 4k , totalt length of 1min to h264 4k (premiere pro CC 2017). With my old Quadro 4000 card using cuda = 4min 52 s . And with GTX 970 with cuda enabled = 6min 40s ?! Something must be wrong? Is the GTX 970 running in slower speed ? I thought the GTX would smoke the Quadro with less cuda cores and VRam.


Mac Pro 5.1 CPU :3.33 GHz 6-core Intel Xeon

OSX macOS Sierrra 10.12.3 : Samsung 850 500gb EVO

Video/Projekt files/Cache/Scratch: HyperX Predator 480GB PCIe HHHL SSD

GPU: GTX 970 OC 4GB with Nvidia Webdrivers

Mar 23, 2017 5:08 AM in response to dustswap

Yes in theory the GTX-970 should be faster, this is certainly the case in Windows. I found this comparison http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-Quadro-4000-vs-Nvidia-GTX-970/m7693v s2577 for Windows.


However doing the same search I found lots of reports of awful performance of the GTX-970 in a Mac Pro. 😟 However to be somewhat fair many of these reports are comparing the 970 in a Mac vs Windows and not compared to other Mac cards. (Mac video drivers - especially Apple's are notoriously bad.)


I don't have either a Quadra 4000 or GTX-970 myself so cannot speak from personal experience, I had thought most people went straight for the GTX-980 or 980Ti as the current top Mac compatible models. (I don't have those either.)


Since the GTX-970 has never officially shipped in a Mac edition you are obviously using a PC edition of this card. Whilst having Mac firmware flashed on to it should make absolutely no difference to performance it maybe a PCIe 2.0 issue. Can you open 'About this Mac', then click on 'System Report…' and then click on 'PCIe' and look at the information for the GTX-970. You need to look for link speed and the number of lanes being used. If you can let us know and ideally post a picture of this. It is the Link Speed i.e. GT/s that is most relevant.


It could be that despite the fact the GTX-970 is a PCIe 3.0 card and should work at full PCIe 2.0 speed in your Mac it might only be working at PCIe 1.0 speed. MacVidCards who 'flash' PC Edition cards to Mac firmware also fix these sorts of issue as well which sometimes means making a small hardware modification to the card. As an example I did this myself to one of my Mac video cards which was formerly a PC Edition. I think if I remember correctly fixing the PCIe speed issue on Nvidia cards is a firmware related issue, and for some AMD cards e.g. the Radeon HD 7970 it is a hardware issue.


Obviously if your GTX-970 is only operating at PCIe 1.0 or 1.1 speeds it will be severely handicapped.

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