Ethernet switch for Airport Extreme

So, I'm curious to know if there is a switch putt there that works well with Airport Extrene?


Presently I have a Linksys Gigabit switch connected to my extreme, which has numerous devices connected to it. If I switch from one to another 90% of the time I have to restart the Extreme because it's lost internet connection. I've come to the conclusion after trying various 'fixes' and talking to support that it may be the switch itself rather than the extreme, btinternst, or my devices.


Has anyone had success with a switch that works well with an extreme to extend the wired connections?


Cheers,


D

Posted on Mar 15, 2017 3:49 PM

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Mar 15, 2017 5:07 PM in response to MiniMoon

I do not understand your configuration.


Is the switch upstream or downstream from you ae? A sketch would be nice.


If I switch from one to another...

What are you doing here?


a before and after sketch would be nice.


actually, I do not think a switch would work in this case, You would need a router.

[......switch.........]

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Pc Mac AE

AE

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[....switch....]

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Pc Mac

Mar 15, 2017 6:43 PM in response to MiniMoon

Assuming the Airport Extreme is your Router, then the WAN port (the one with the circular icon) needs to be connected to your ISP's interface device (Cable modem, DSL modem, FiOS modem, etc...).


You can then connect an Ethernet Switch to one of the LAN Ethernet ports (the ones with the icon that looks like <-->)


I have a 16-port switch connected to my Airport Extreme router. The Ethernet cable from my ISP's cable modem goes into my Airport Extreme's WAN port (circular icon), and another Ethernet cable goes from one of the Airport Extreme LAN ports <--> to my 16-port Ethernet Switch. The Ethernet Switch then provides Ethernet connections to each of the rooms in my home, and in some cases there are 2 or 3 Ethernet lines going to a room that can be reconfigured to put the Internet connected TV in a different location of the room, when the Wife wants to rearrange the furniture, and utility closets get 2 Ethernet lines so I can put printers, or WiFi range extenders that use Ethernet for the back-hual.


I have Internet connected TV's, Apple TV, WiFi range extenders, Printers, and a Mac mini file server connected to the the switch.

Mar 15, 2017 11:57 PM in response to rccharles

Hi,


Apologies was late and a bit frustrated.


My setup is:


BT Home Hub (wifi turned off)

to

AirPort Extreme (wifi on with Airport Expresses as extenders)

to

Linksys switch


I have a TV, AppleTV, PS4, Xbone, Amp and a PVR wired to the switch


When I turn the Xbone or PS4 off and swap to AppleTv for instance, I often have to restart the Extreme because it looses connection to the BT Hub - green dot on Airport utility goes yellow or grayed out.


I've assumed it was the Extreme that was the culprit but have tried that many fixes and it's only 7 months old.


I'm now wondering if it is the switch.

Mar 16, 2017 9:11 AM in response to MiniMoon

When you say 'right port' I assume you are using 'right' as in 'correct' ports. Vs left/right 🙂


I have used lots of different switches. Netgear and TRENDnet at the moment. The 16-port switch is a Netgear unmanaged gigabit switch (all the switches are gigabit and unmanaged switches).


I have another netgear switch in the living room that further splits the Ethernet drop so I can service the Apple TV and the Internet connected TV, plus give me an Ethernet connection for my laptop if I need it for faster Mac to Mac data transfers.


At work I have a TRENDnet servicing the equipment in my office (iMac, Macbook Pro, Windows laptop; but in the past there was a Linux box, and at one time in the past a PowerMac G5; equipment comes and goes over time).


When dealing with Ethernet connected devices, you should always check your cables. I've had situations where a cable went back (maybe it was marginal to begin with and over time maybe a contact oxidized, or a bit of cable broke after too many times bending back and forth). I've also had a situation where I used a cable that came with something else, but the cable was really only 4-wires, and I could not understand why the iMac to Macbook Pro transfer speeds were limited to 100 megabits, when the Macs and the switch were all capable of gigabit transfers. Turns out a 4-wire Ethernet cable is ONLY good to 100 megabits, and the Mac only talked 100baseT instead of 1000baseT.


The moral of the story is always check your cables. Swap them with other cables to see if the problem moves with the cable, or goes away if one of the cables is out of the circuit. It is a pain in the *** to test your Ethernet cables, and many times will not be the problem, but when it is the problem, it is wroth the effort.

Mar 16, 2017 12:27 PM in response to MiniMoon

I do not know if this makes a difference...


Switches have a little smarts. They analysis the traffic and figure out where the packets should be going. This avoids having to send incoming packets to all outbound ports. You would think a switch would notice when a cable is pull out and re-begin analysis of where the packets should be going.


Thus, it could be an issue with the switch.


I do not know why the connection BT device and AE would be effected. I would think that actions with the switch would be isolated from the BT device. Unless maybe AE got confused over misrouted packets and downed the BT to AE link.


Question: Are ethernet cables hot plug-gable? I act that way.


This is my deductive logic. Whether it is right or wrong could be considered a question.


R

Apr 6, 2017 1:10 AM in response to MiniMoon

Hey there,

So, checked the cables - couldnt see anything wrong, but played it safe and bought Cat5e's and rewired the whole set-up. Still had the same problem.


Bought a NetGear Nighthawk switch under the assumption that maybe the old switch was failing. And, frustratingly, the issue persists...


Searched for IP's on my network to access the Nighthawk to change the p/word and I saw that my TimeCapsule and AppleTV have the same MAC address.


Could this be the issue?


Cheers,


D

Apr 6, 2017 5:56 AM in response to MiniMoon

...and I saw that my TimeCapsule and AppleTV have the same MAC address.


Could this be the issue?

Yes the same MAC or IP address in use by 2 different devices could be a problem.


But MAC addresses are supposes to always be unique values, assigned during device manufacture. Yes, it is possible for some Ethernet/WiFi chips to be assigned a different MAC address via software, but generally the software in appliance devices, such as the Time Capsule and Apple TV, does not do that.


May I suggest you confirm the identical MAC address information. I like to use WakeOnLan for that. It does a very good job of identifying and listing all the network aware devices on your LAN. It provides IP address and MAC addresses.


WakeOnLan gives local network IP and MAC addresses

<http://www.readpixel.com/wakeonlan/index.html>


Side note. I've been using WakeOnLan for years, but I've never actually used it to wake up a sleeping computer 🙂

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