Support for HD audio bitstream

Hi !


I know of macos limitations on this issue, but I have a question if you ever plan to turn on bitstream for hd audio on macos?

I ask, because it is a little funny that on any other equipment (and it's sometimes much cheaper) you can watch and listen to Hd movies (DTS HD Master, Dolby TrueHD recently Atmos and DTS: X) and Apple (especially new Supported eg h265 codecs, ie UHD BD) you can only count on ac3 / dts sound, I recall, we have 2017 year !!Even stations offering streaming video offer the option of enabling HD audio, and Apple does not.This is frustrating and, unfortunately, often causes the replacement of non-apple devices.Going back to the essence of the question: I know that macros support sending HD audio through LPCM in the hdmi connector, but for new Atmos / DTS formats: X is not enough because they require bitstreaming on hdmi (and there are no licenses for codecs, This is because the external equipment, such as the A / V receiver, decodes, so this is not an argument against.That is why I am reiterating the question: are you going to enable bitstream in your computers?

Mac mini, macOS Sierra (10.12), Bootcamp with windows 10 1607

Posted on Jun 18, 2017 4:00 AM

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Jun 19, 2017 8:20 AM in response to yabba235

The bugreport site itself is free but you need an Apple Developer account. As I mentioned even the free Apple Developer account is sufficient to get you access to the bugreport website.


They seem to have made the developer site a little bit more confusing in how to only apply for a free account. Since I already have an account it is difficult for me to double check but try the following.


  • Go to https://developer.apple.com/programs/how-it-works/
  • Do not click on Enrol, just click on Account
  • Use a valid Apple ID, answer all the questions, make sure you do not chose anything that commits you to paying anything and if it asks is this for an individual or an organisation choose idividual


Hopefully that will get you on board.


Enrolling would require a fee but would let you publish apps to the app store.


Once you have a working developer login you use the same details to login to the bugreport website.

Jun 19, 2017 4:13 AM in response to yabba235

This is a user to user forum, as QuickTimeKirk suggests you need to use the Apple feedback pages.


I do however share your pain, it does seem the Mac hardware is capable of this based on reports from users running Windows via Boot Camp. Since Apple have not themselves supported Blu-Ray discs which are the predominant source of media using these formats Apple have not up-til now made any effort in this area.


It is actually my own experience that all the streaming services - even those offering 4K video actually only provide inferior quality audio streams. This is something the streaming services are starting to look at but have not yet resolved. This includes Apple's own iTunes Store movies.


As you I believe mention, Apple have finally announced support for H.265 video which is the format of choice for 4K videos. Apple have not indicated yet what additional audio formats if any will be added with this, they could stick to the same ancient Dolby Digital 5.1 equivalent to DVD format which is at best what streaming services currently offer.


You need to remember Apple target almost exclusively consumers and those consumers using Apple products. So H.265 is being targeted at users of the latest iPhone and iPads for recording 4K video and obviously iPhones and iPads are not going to record surround sound audiophile i.e. Blu-Ray level quality. What we can hope for is that as finally FinalCut Pro X is also going to support H.265 for production this might also mean Apple support these Blu-Ray level audio standards in FinalCut Pro X for the same reason and this might as a side effect mean playback is also supported.


It could however be that Apple decide to pinch pennies and not license these audio standards, clearly Apple do need to worry about such costs. 😉 What is really annoying is that Apple's current approach even prevents other developers licensing these codecs and 'passing them through' aka bitstreaming them.


Realistically this is only going to change if/when Apple finally start offering 4K content via the iTunes Store and upgrade their audio support. Remember even the current 1080p aka Full HD content on the iTunes Store only has 5.1 Dolby Digital audio.


Note: High Definition Audio can be confused between two different things. There is what is actually the intent in this thread which is the lossless audio formats used by Blu-Ray and UHD movie discs, and what is more commonly associated with the term High Definition Audio which is music in a format superior to ordinary audio CD discs. Apple do not support either. Considering Apple have always and still claim to have music in their blood, the fact they still only offer 256Kbps AAC music is an abomination. 😢

Jun 19, 2017 7:53 AM in response to yabba235

Yes the Feedback page does not get you a response but I do believe they are at least read.


A slightly more powerful approach if you have a developer account - even a free one is to use https://bugreport.apple.com/web/ instead and to log it as an 'enhancement' request. I have used this approach numerous times and have had some successes. Again you don't always get responses especially for enhancement requests but as mentioned at least in some cases the enhancements did eventually appear.


In this case you might get a response saying your request is closed as a duplicate of ticket nnnnnn, indicating someone else has already made the same request.

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