Is Pages as bad as it seems?

My wife and I have been Apple users for more than 25 years. We used to love the old ClarisWorks which became OfficeWorks - it was simple and reliable. So when we finally upgraded our OS beyond what we could run AppleWorks on, we looked for something new, and the obvious choice was Pages. We have 5.2.2 and it's advance publicity made it look just what we wanted.


But reality is far sadder. We don't find it intuitive like Apple used to pride itself on, so it's hard to work things out - most times I use it I have to look something up on the web to find out how to do, or that I can't do it. Recent frustrating issues have included not being able to put a graphic in a text box (except as a background) and finding Pages totally unable to print in proper orientation documents that are landscape and/or odd sized paper - documents which print fine when transferred as PDF to Preview.


So I have two questions please.


1. Is it generally considered that Pages is bad and not worth using, or should I persevere and find some decent instructions?


2. What do people use as its replacement? (I use LibreOffice, but my wife wants something simpler and more straightforward.)


Thanks.

MacBook Pro, OS X Mavericks (10.9.4), Pro 11.2

Posted on Aug 10, 2017 12:33 AM

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Aug 10, 2017 11:21 PM in response to unkleE

You managed to skip Pages '09 which was far superior.


The current version of Pages is Pages 6.2, which requires macOS Sierra and has a couple of new features, but is still far short of Pages '09 which still works with a couple of caveats on all the recent MacOSes.


Pages 5.2.2 will not open documents from later versions and only runs on specific versions of MacOS which along with all the hidden User Interface is the handiwork of whoever is "updating" all the Mac software to be less functional and too many obstructions to getting work done on the Mac let alone in the broader computing community.


There are a large number of Word Processors on the Mac, you do not need to use a specific App.


Look on http://www.Macupdate.com to see what suits, Bean is rather nice, but we do not know what your requirements are.


Give feedback to Apple:


Menu > Pages > Provide Pages Feedback


and also review it in the App Store, many have already and mostly show their disappointment, but Apple is doing what Apple does, at its own pace and mostly disregards the customer.


Peter

Aug 11, 2017 1:03 AM in response to unkleE

"I do notice version 6.2 is in the App Store, so maybe we should at least try the upgraded version."


Pages 6.x requires macOS 10.12 (Sierra).


Your profile information (and your reference to using Pages 5.x) indicates you are using OS X 11.x (El Capitan)

Pages 5 requires El Cap, and will not run in Sierra.


To Try Pages 6, you first need to upgrade your OS to Sierra, under which you will no longer be able to run Pages 5 (although Pages 4.3, if you have that installed, will function (with some lost features) in both El Cap and Sierra.


Regards,

Barry

Aug 11, 2017 5:34 AM in response to VikingOSX

Well, hush my mouth (as my Southern relatives say). I must have stared right through these.


By coincidence, Ulysses — another writing app that's popular at least among the folks in my twitter feed — just went to a subscription model as of yesterday. ($5/month, I think.) It seems chiefly useful for writing primarily for the web, so may not be what uncleE is looking for.


I continue to like Pages 6. Vive la différence.

Aug 11, 2017 5:53 AM in response to richard grant

Ulysses depends on one learning their markup language in order to properly format document content. For one accustomed to traditional word processing input, this will be an issue until, or if they choose to learn the markup. The markup learning curve will reduce productivity, but afterward, may improve it — depending on the document content requirements.

Aug 11, 2017 6:15 AM in response to VikingOSX

VikingOSX wrote:


The markup learning curve will reduce productivity, but afterward, may improve it — depending on the document content requirements.

Ulysses uses the standard Markdown syntax, I surmise? That's not so hard to pick up (Daring Fireball: Markdown Syntax Documentation) and is pretty widely used by various text-editing tools, so you only have to climb the learning curve once.


A side-note: The creator of Markdown, John Gruber, was recently soliciting recommendations on Twitter for a text-editing app for his own use; as I recall, the leading suggestions were Ulysses and BBEdit. This is a whole other world than the one I work in.

Aug 11, 2017 6:03 PM in response to unkleE

There is no reason to presume El Capitan is better than Sierra.


I run Sierra and think in general it is a tighter, smaller OS and with reasonably good extra features.


I also run Snow Leopard OSX 10.4.8 because it is extremey solid, retains features I like, and lets me run certain very useful Apps which Apple has destroyed in later versions.


I am surprised you are only now discovering incompatibility issues. Apple has hamstrung its users with a never ending disregard for continuity of both hardware and software. But that's only my 34 years experience of Apple.


I have no way of knowing that they will change, for the better. Recent evidence shows that they are losing interest in a coherent software environment. As well as deciding Software for Schmucks pays a whole lot better than trying to satisfy people who know what they are doing, and why.


Peter

Aug 11, 2017 6:29 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Hi Peter, interesting comments. I too have a love-hate relationship with Apple, with love being more prominent, or I'd go to another system.


My impression (very inexpert) of Sierra is that what it added were things I didn't need. But I can't see myself upgrading if all our Pages 5 documents become unreadable in Pages 6. What is Apple trying to do - take us back to Microsoft around 1990???


Do you have any idea about the new OS that is coming soon, and how Pages compatibility fits with that?


I too loved Snow Leopard, and still use it to run my scanner (Canon hasn't upgraded the driver and I'm not gong to buy a new scanner just because they are not helpful.) How do you run the two systems together? I have Snow Leopard on a USB stick, and restart into it when I want to scan, then restart back into El Capitan. Is there a better way?

Aug 11, 2017 7:03 PM in response to unkleE

You misunderstood what I said.


Pages 6 opens Pages 5 documents fine, just not the other way, so people with different systems let alone Mac/PC have trouble exchanging files unless all the ducks are in a row.


Experience says that Apple will yet again! introduce yet another version of Pages that will not run or let you open its documents on previous versions, because that is Such A Good Idea!


Install alternate OSes on a Western Digital (because they are reliable) Passport USB hard drive. Hybrid SSD/HDD drives are reasonably priced and fast if you want a quick boot up, you can build your own with a drive and snap together USB case. USB sticks are not a good idea for boot ups, they are slow and very limited in size.


Peter

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