External DVD burner, Firewire vs. USB 2?

Do external DVD burners work more efficiently with a Firewire interface than USB 2?


I recognize that USB 2.0 is fast enough to burn at 16x’s and besides I usually just burn at 8x’s to ensure a successful burn.


Despite iDVD being discontinued I have not found a better DVD authoring software. With that said, my MacPro (mid 2010) doesn’t burn iDVD using it inter superdrive anymore. My other MacPro (2006) does on an external burner but I suspect that I need a new one since I keep getting errors.


Is it worth paying a few extra bucks for a FW-800 or just pick up a cheapo usb 2.0

Thank you in advance

Mac Pro, macOS Sierra (10.12.6), 3.46GHz (5,1) 6 core (48G RAM 1333)

Posted on Sep 9, 2017 3:18 PM

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Posted on Sep 14, 2017 11:48 PM

Not necessarily. A FW800 drive can transfer data at about 2x what the USB 2.0 can do. That's not the same as burning. It's more associated with copying or playing video DVDs.


For the most reliable burn follow this workflow:

Once you have the project as you want it save it as a disk image via the File ➙ Save as Disk Image menu option. This will separate the encoding process from the burn process.


To check the encoding mount the disk image, launch DVD Player and play it. If it plays OK with DVD Player the encoding is good.


Then burn to disk with Disk Utility or Toast at the slowest speed available (2x-4x) to assure the best burn quality. Always use top quality media: Verbatim, Maxell or Taiyo Yuden DVD-R are the most recommended in these forums.

Use of DVD-R discs is for compatibility with DVD payers built before around 2002. If that's not an issue then use DVD+R.

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Sep 14, 2017 11:48 PM in response to Rich839

Not necessarily. A FW800 drive can transfer data at about 2x what the USB 2.0 can do. That's not the same as burning. It's more associated with copying or playing video DVDs.


For the most reliable burn follow this workflow:

Once you have the project as you want it save it as a disk image via the File ➙ Save as Disk Image menu option. This will separate the encoding process from the burn process.


To check the encoding mount the disk image, launch DVD Player and play it. If it plays OK with DVD Player the encoding is good.


Then burn to disk with Disk Utility or Toast at the slowest speed available (2x-4x) to assure the best burn quality. Always use top quality media: Verbatim, Maxell or Taiyo Yuden DVD-R are the most recommended in these forums.

Use of DVD-R discs is for compatibility with DVD payers built before around 2002. If that's not an issue then use DVD+R.

Sep 11, 2017 12:53 PM in response to Old Toad

Since there is nothing better than iDVD for creative menus and scene selection I am to the point I just need iDVD to work no matter how slow I adjust the speed.


For my (2012 MP) running 10.12.6 I might just replace the internal optical drive, use the Disk Image option and keep speed at 2x’s to have any chance of getting successful burns.


Old Toad has mentioned how they types of files you put into an iDVD project can also effect the chances of a successful burn. In other threads like this he has graciously answered others questions related to the files/ratio aspects iDVD prefers. Lots of great trouble shooting tips out there and great to get some guidance as to the best kind of internal/external optical burners out there to eliminate hardware from the variables that cause unsuccessful burns.


My other (2006 MP) cannot and has not had any OS upgraded since Lion. This old Mac is what I have relied on to burn iDVD’s sucefully by using Disk Image and 2x’s.

A 4X drive will run at the same speed with FireWire or USB if the computer's USB is not being heavily used by other devices. If USB hard drives are in use while burning a DVD via USB, it might slow the DVD burning.


If you have a choice, look for a DVD drive with USB 3. If you ever get a new Mac, it won't have FireWire, but will support USB 3.

An analogy to go along with what Malcom replied might be…..Your in a car that cant go faster than 40mph--- You have to choose a highway to escape a hurricane. You can drive 40 on a congested USB 2.0 road where other USB devices can can weigh you down or drive 40 on a more open FW-800 highway. I just want to give my self the best chance of getting to my destination no matter how slow. I want to escape hurricane multiplexor!!

Sep 11, 2017 12:09 PM in response to KidVid

I use an external optical drive with FW800. It's theoretically nearly twice as fast as USB 2.0.


if you get one I recommend getting a drawer loading drive one a slot loader. Much easier to get out stuck discs. I use mine primarily for ripping audio books and an occasional iDVD video disk. I also use Verbatim at 2x-4x burn speeds. Otherworld Computing is an excellent source of Mac hardware. That's where I got my drawer loading optical drive.

I keep getting errors.

What kind of errors are you getting? I'd check it out before spending money on a new optical drive.



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Sep 10, 2017 2:25 PM in response to KidVid

Thank you for your replies. I tried to preface my comment by saying speed is not what im after. I just want reliable burns and if a faster cable/interphase might help the encoding/burning process then im all in.


iDVD is very unreliable on one of my computers (MP 2012) and only works by creating a Disk Image on my other MP 1.1.


Its my Mac Pro 1.1 that is maxed out and can no longer be upgraded that causes me to think this is a drive issue and not a software/OS issue.


I cant believe that iDVD is still king for those that want professional looking menues/scene selection despite being out of print for almost 5 years now. Anybody stumbled onto anything better? Toast IMO looks way to amature.


Michael—I didn’t realize that burning via USB could be bogged down by other active USB devices. For that reason alone I would be willing to invest the extra bucks to get a FW-800.


I am going to call OWC tomorrow to find out what it would take somehow get their “Thunderbolt 3 Dock” to connect to my Mac Pro (mid 2012). This expensive ($300) dock might help me with my flickering (6) multi monitor set up as well.


Thank you in advance!!! 🙂

Sep 10, 2017 2:43 PM in response to Malcolm J. Rayfield

Correct. If I had a Thunderbolt port I wouldn't need to call. I know they have some creative cables (eSATA etc) that connect to the logic board and out to the graphics card slot. Hoping there might be some creative options there.


$300 is a lot just to be able to use USB 3 optical drive but if it will enable me to use iDVD with more reliablilty-- it will be worth it. Anybody know if you can plug extra monitors into a "Thunderbolt Dock?"


Anybody found anything better than iDVD for creative menus and scene selections that use chapter markers set in Final Cut?


Thx!!!!!!! 🙂

Sep 10, 2017 3:19 PM in response to KidVid

There are no cables, cards, adapters, etc. that will make a Thunderbolt dock work with a Mac Pro earlier then 2013.


Why not just replace the internal DVD drive. It's easy. You do have to remove the front of the DVD tray.

https://eshop.macsales.com/tech_center/index.cfm?page=/manuals/item/bezelremoval .html


I replaced my Mac Pro DVD drives with Blu-ray drives.

http://store.mcetech.com/mm/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=MTOS&Screen=CTGY&Category_Co de=BDINTMP

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