how do I update iPhone apps with new iTunes 12.7?

Lawrence Finch wrote:

...you would have to do 3 downloads even if you did it with iTunes, because apps are now device type specific to reduce the size of apps by excluding any code that is not used in the specific device (look up "app thinning")....

WRONG! Downloading via iTunes App Store, you get pre-thinned apps!

The same is true if you use Configurator. You get pre-thinned apps!

I have verified this by looking in the log of the Caching Service in Server.

If a device downloads and app, yes you do get a thinned app.

I have verified this by downloading an app on a device, deleting it, and then

downloading that same app via the App Store in iTunes. The download size

of the pre-thinned was somewhat larger.

Lawrence Finch wrote:

The laws are all careful to make no mention of religion; it is purely to assure that workers have a day off. And it is wonderful. One day each week with no traffic. And if you really want to shop, go to the next county over.

I've been saying, since the demise of my state's blue laws (I remember ones such as you describe for Bergen), I've argued for a return for this very reason.

Your pay, your pension, your property records, your financial records, your automobile registration and drivers license, your tax records, your utilities, your credit cards, your health records—everything in your life that needs to be recorded is in the cloud. Get over it.

Land of the free or happiness in slavery ?

woodmeister50 wrote:

You get pre-thinned apps!

I have verified this by looking in the log of the Caching Service in Server.

If a device downloads and app, yes you do get a thinned app.

I have verified this by downloading an app on a device, deleting it, and then

downloading that same app via the App Store in iTunes. The download size

of the pre-thinned was somewhat larger.

Well try to download Sky Force (great game) or Pages (great app) from scratch without a wifi and let us know what happens...

To save you time the answer is : you are screwed 😟

How did we go from, "You need to download and update apps over the air (which doesn't give Apple any more information than it already had) to "Slavery"?

"The Cloud" is just another name for big computer. Your personal data has been stored on computers for quite a while now. The fact that you have to update your apps wirelessly didn't cause that. It is still quite possible to live off the grid. However, like growing your own food or making your own clothes, it tends to take up a big chunk of time. Only you can decide if it's worth it to you.

Akira1138 wrote:

woodmeister50 wrote:

You get pre-thinned apps!

I have verified this by looking in the log of the Caching Service in Server.

If a device downloads and app, yes you do get a thinned app.

I have verified this by downloading an app on a device, deleting it, and then

downloading that same app via the App Store in iTunes. The download size

of the pre-thinned was somewhat larger.

Well try to download Sky Force (great game) or Pages (great app) from scratch without a wifi and let us know what happens...

To save you time the answer is : you are screwed 😟

How would you have gotten it previously without Wifi? So, you hook your device up to your computer and you sync the app, right? How do you think the computer got it? MAGIC?

GB

gail from maine wrote:

How would you have gotten it previously without Wifi? So, you hook your device up to your computer and you sync the app, right?

Indeed ! If the app is too big i download it into my ITunes library and then i sync up. I don't have the choice, because my IPhone is my only access to internet and this soooo advance technology can't handle apps that are bigger than 150mb via 4G. Once installed all incremental updates works fine.

gail from maine wrote:

How do you think the computer got it? MAGIC?

Once connected to my IPhone via hotspot, my computer doesn't tell me i got any limitation over data size. If Apple wants to turn their smart devices into a stand alone computer, the least they can do IS to work like an actual computer, meaning no download limitation size. This makes no sense.

By the way, does anyone know what is the purpose of this limitation ?

Akira1138 wrote:

By the way, does anyone know what is the purpose of this limitation ?

The original purpose was at the request of carriers to prevent overload of their networks. And, with limited data plans, to prevent surprise bills for data. Several years ago there were cases where iPhone users got data charges in the thousands of $. I can't tell you why there is still a limit with many people having unlimited data plans.

OTOH, there is a catch with unlimited data plans - they are throttled. I have a 6 GB plan. I see speeds typically of 10-15 Mbps, and last week I saw an astonishing 70 Mbps in one location. My carrier's unlimited plan is capped at 3 Mbps, which is why I don't subscribe, even though it is more expensive than the 6 GB plan.

That limitation size only applies to cellular. And again, if it's OK to use Wifi to download the apps to your computer, why isn't it OK to use it to download them to your device? I'm not understanding your argument?

GB

Here's my problem. I have 5 years of Angry Birds levels I've played. That information isn't transferred to my new iPhone by re-downloading it. I also have other apps that I've had for years that I can't transfer to my new iPhone.

B. Kennedy wrote:

That information isn't transferred to my new iPhone by re-downloading it.

That's correct. App Data is not contained within the App, it is contained within your backup. So, when you get a new device, you want to set it up from the backup you made of your previous device. That backup can be on iTunes or on iCloud or both. When you set up your new device, you have the option to select a backup to set the device up from. That is how your app data would be restored to your new device.

Best of luck,

GB

I completely agree. Now when I want new apps, I have to look them up one at a time in the iPhone app. Additionally, I can no longer easily view apps that I have previously purchased, but are not currently on my phone, and I can no longer change out multiple apps at a time easily using iTunes to view and organize them. Very disappointed in apple for this change. Removing this functionality from iTunes added absolutely nothing to the user experience. I use iTunes to organize everything else on my phone, why can't I still use it for apps!?

Use Feedback - iTunes - Apple to let Apple know.

Out of curiosity why do you need to change out multiple apps at a time? My list of installed apps is relatively static, I add a new app from time to time if I seek one out for a task, get a recommendation from a friend, or am sufficiently intrigued by an advert or promotion in the store. I rarely remove them unless I really have no use for them or they stop working. iOS 11 has a feature called Offload Unused Apps which those with limited memory might use to free up memory when needed without needing to micro-manage storage on the device.

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gail from maine wrote:

That limitation size only applies to cellular. And again, if it's OK to use Wifi to download the apps to your computer, why isn't it OK to use it to download them to your device? I'm not understanding your argument?

GB

No the limitation size only applies to App Store on an IPhone, not the rest.

My IPhone is my ONLY internet access at home, i have no local router. So when i want to have it on my computer i connect via hotspot. I have no other choice.

Is this clear ?

In this setup it seems silly to download the even larger universal app to your computer, then transfer it to the phone, rather than the thinned app directly to the device. In lieu of dropping the download limit altogether, or at least allowing users to opt out of it, it would be sensible to disable the limit while Personal Hotspot is active. You could use Feedback - iPhone - Apple to make such a suggestion.

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