This is the biggest case of "It's not a bug it's a feature" that I've ever seen. Where can I file a bug against Apple to actually be able to quickly toggle my radios again?

Please post URL for bug reporting.

Posted on Sep 21, 2017 11:32 AM

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Posted on Sep 21, 2017 11:35 AM

kglushko wrote:


Please post URL for bug reporting.

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Sep 21, 2017 11:50 AM in response to kglushko

You can still do it, but must be done from Settings app

and not Control Center. Seems stupid but there is some

sort of logic.


The Control Center disconnects you (NOT) from your WiFi connection

and Bluetooth connections. Leaving them active is supposed to be a

convenience so that if you get near any recognized network or device,

you will automatically connect.


I would at least add the option in the WiFi and Bluetooth settings and

let it be our choice as to how the Control Center buttons function.

Oct 17, 2017 1:12 PM in response to woodmeister50

woodmeister50 wrote:


You can still do it, but must be done from Settings app

and not Control Center. Seems stupid but there is some

sort of logic.


The Control Center disconnects you (NOT) from your WiFi connection

and Bluetooth connections. Leaving them active is supposed to be a

convenience so that if you get near any recognized network or device,

you will automatically connect.


I would at least add the option in the WiFi and Bluetooth settings and

let it be our choice as to how the Control Center buttons function.

There is no valid reason to ever turn the wireless communications off. Your desired option would only make the iPhone less convenient.

Oct 20, 2017 8:18 PM in response to anypats

The article I read was apparently poorly written and attributed some references to FCC that were to EFF. My apologies.


That doesn't negate my point though. EFF was concerned with the confusion that the "offish" toggles presented to users who always knew the feature to be "actually off." But the reason they have a problem with this is that it put the user unkowingly in a less secure state. There are security and privacy risks to having your wifi and bluetooth always on. There are known vulnerabilities in bluetooth and allowing your wifi to continually contact networks invites trouble. Not to mention the privacy concerns of being tracked as your wifi tries to find networks.


Security professionals generally suggest turning them off when not actually in use. That's the primary problem. Making it a hassle to be more secure is a problem.

Oct 21, 2017 5:17 AM in response to Scott Spinola

There is no security risk at all with simply walking around with your wifi radio powered on. And I work with a number of people who make their living in IT security and not one of them has ever mentioned turning of a wifi radio on a laptop, cell phone or tablet as a security “feature”. They would all counsel people about thinking carefully about what networks and where they connect, and especially what they use wifi for on public open access nodes. But merely having the radio on is not an issue.


Wifi hacks require you to be connected to something, not merely having it on. And you control what networks and when your wifi on your iPhone connects to anything. You should certainly disable automatic connections to unknown open wifi networks, but iOS doesn’t allow that anyway and never has.


And again with the tracking - nobody knows who you are from your wifi carrier signal. Nobody. Wifi nodes can track how many active devices pass by them but those devices are utterly anonymous to them unless YOU interact with your iPhone and allow the phone to connect. Nobody is able to use your passive wifi radio carrier signal to track you. Again, remote personal tracking of someone requires your phone to be regularly connecting to a wifi network and actively transmitting data. Remote personal tracking is not some magically passive process. It requires data sent from the device to a receiving system. If your iPhone wifi radio is on, but not connected to a network, then nobody is tracking you.


If you‘re that concerned about these mythical security isues, then you should turn your cell phone completely off. Your cellular radio is always on, and is constantly connecting, checking in with the cellular voice network. Anyone with access to the cellular service providers network management system could, in theory at least, track you without ever giving a thought to wifi or Bluetooth.

Oct 21, 2017 6:19 PM in response to Michael Black

First of all, your last paragraph is absurd and not worthy of a response.


As to actual everyday security concerns, in your comment you say:

"They would all counsel people about thinking carefully about what networks and where they connect, and especially what they use wifi for on public open access nodes. But merely having the radio on is not an issue. Wifi hacks require you to be connected to something."


The problem with that argument is that your device will connect whether you ask it to or not. An open wifi receiver continually scans for networks to find one it's already connected to in the past, then connects too it unless you turned off this setting (which few people do). The problem is that all it matches is the name — not some fancy ID code or key or anything but the literal characters in the name. If you've ever connected at Starbucks, McDonalds, or many other public wifi locations, their network is likely called "attwifi" and you can see it in your wifi locations list. Hackers know this. All a hacker needs to do is create his own network in a public location called "attwifi" and your device will connect to it automatically. Hackers literally sit around in public places doing this, scraping any personal data tthey can that leaves your device. And since the new off-ish toggle will automatically connect to the next network it recognizes, you're still at risk.


This is not a "mythical security issue" and you do people a disservice by passing it off as such. If you don't understand any of this, that's fine, but calling it a "mythical security issue" doesn't make it one.


The overall problem is, instead of actually enhancing the toggles by increasing their functionality and making them work for everybody — like tap/hold to offer a choice of disconnect to turn off — Apple implemented a ham-fisted approach that broke the feature for many users. This seems to be Apple's approach in recent years. Instead of making the complicated simple like they used to do they just dumb stuff down and make it simplistic.


I've said all I have to say on this. Have a good day.

Oct 7, 2017 10:29 AM in response to kglushko

Definatly


And IOS 11.0.1 and 11.0.2


Simple things like

when in calls but you decide your going to send a text instead.

You hit the message button, then it take you to all your contacts and not the text box of your choice.

You then have to go back on yourself while the precious seconds or minutes of your life is wasted starting the process all over again, only to start hitting the "go to text" feature button with a hammer.

Like an instant drug fix.

Oct 20, 2017 6:44 PM in response to Philly_Phan

Philly_Phan wrote:


There is no valid reason to ever turn the wireless communications off. Your desired option would only make the iPhone less convenient.


That's not even remotely correct. Open connections are a privacy and security risk. With the receivers on, you can (and are) tracked at stores and businesses, and hackers have a way in. This is why EFF and FCC are vigorously opposed to the change.


There's a much better argument for the toggles behaveing the way they used to than the current way. If you need the features that require them, then leave them on. If not, you should be able turn them off without having to go into settings. They designed them that way to begin with for that reason.


This is a serious degradation in functionality.

Oct 20, 2017 6:51 PM in response to Scott Spinola

Scott Spinola wrote:


Philly_Phan wrote:


There is no valid reason to ever turn the wireless communications off. Your desired option would only make the iPhone less convenient.


That's not even remotely correct. Open connections are a privacy and security risk. With the receivers on, you can (and are) tracked at stores and businesses, and hackers have a way in. This is why EFF and FCC are vigorously opposed to the change.


There's a much better argument for the toggles behaveing the way they used to than the current way. If you need the features that require them, then leave them on. If not, you should be able turn them off without having to go into settings. They designed them that way to begin with for that reason.


This is a serious degradation in functionality.

If you really believe that BS, you can turn off all wireless communication by clicking on Airplane Mode. Of course, you won't be able to make/receive calls or txt messages but don't forget that cellular transmission is an OPEN CONNECTION AND IS A PRIVACY AND SECURITY RISK and you don't want that.

Oct 20, 2017 6:59 PM in response to kglushko

If Apple really wanted to enhance the user experience, they should actually improve the control center instead of just making dumb changes like this. I've thought they should have done this years ago. A tap and hold on the toggle pops up a contextual menu with three options with text relevent to the specific toggle: "Choose a network/device to connect to" [brings up an appropriate settings pane or sheet] / "Disconnect from the current network/device" / "Turn wifi/bluetooth off completely" [or other text they deem more clear]. Problem solved. Everybody's happy. Functionality greatly increased. Virtually no increase in complexity.

Oct 20, 2017 7:35 PM in response to Scott Spinola

Do you have links that the FCC is opposed to the change? I couldn’t find anything in a Google search. The only thing that I can find is the FCC asking Apple to activate the FM radio chips that don’t exist in the latest iPhones. The EFF made their original report with the “off-ish” statement and haven’t said anything further. It seems they dropped the issue regarding the Control Center once Apple showed they can be turned off in Settings. Making one statement and nothing more doesn’t really imply vigorous opposition. Not to mention Siri can turn them off too. It seems the EFF was just concerned that they couldn’t be turned off and that’s where the opposition came in. Sounds like they don’t care where it is, just that it’s available.

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This is the biggest case of "It's not a bug it's a feature" that I've ever seen. Where can I file a bug against Apple to actually be able to quickly toggle my radios again?

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