Using airport express as router and another as extender?

I just purchased a Motorola MG7550 modem+wifi router (one unit) for my new apartment. After having the cable company setup our tv/internet, we have noticed that there are a few dead spots for wifi. Thus, I went out and purchased a Netgear PowerLINE 1000 to plug into the deadspot areas. At first, I thought this was great and a solution, however, the netgear DOES NOT extend my wifi, rather, it creates a new SSID and that means whenever I go back to were the original modem/router is, I have great coverage (wifi) with original SSID, but when I go upstairs, I have to manually switch my SSID to the 'extender' SSID. This is quite annoying, especially if I'm on FaceTime or streaming video on a device and walk upstairs and then downstairs and I get bad connection since I can't switch each time... thus...when the cable company came back out, one of them recommended the apple airport (extreme) and express. Thus, I am looking at both products and I was told that I could use my current Motorola MG7550 as just the modem, turn of the wifi capabilities (wifi), and then attach one apple airport express to the modem and then I can use a second airport express upstairs to EXTEND the same network/wifi and not have two different SSIDs that I have to manually switch between. Is this correct? Will two airport express work or do I need to have an airport Extreme connected to the modem and then the express as the extender? I'm sure this has been asked before, so I really appreciate any advice. I'm looking to purchase the latest airport expresses. Thanks!

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Posted on Sep 25, 2017 11:51 AM

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Posted on Sep 25, 2017 12:28 PM

Two AirPort Expresses will do exactly what you want. One Express will need to connect directly to the modem/router using a permanent, wired Ethernet cable connection. The second Express can wirelessly extend the network from the first.


Keep in mind that the "extending" Express will need to be located where it can receive a strong wireless signal. Line-of-sight between the Expresses would be ideal, since any obstructions in the direct signal path will slow down the network.


A normal wall will slow things down by 15-20% or so. A ceiling will slow things down by 30-40% of so, since a ceiling on average is usually about 3 times more dense than a wall. You get the idea why you want to have line-of-sight as much as possible.


If you are after top performance, you will need to wire the second Express back to the first, since there will be no signal loss through the Ethernet cable up to 300+ feet, or about 100 meters.


You can probably leave the WiFi on at the modem/router.....in case you want to have a separate wireless network for "guests' or the kids. Or, turn off the WiFi on the modem/router if you don't need another network.

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Sep 25, 2017 12:28 PM in response to DucatiMonster1100S

Two AirPort Expresses will do exactly what you want. One Express will need to connect directly to the modem/router using a permanent, wired Ethernet cable connection. The second Express can wirelessly extend the network from the first.


Keep in mind that the "extending" Express will need to be located where it can receive a strong wireless signal. Line-of-sight between the Expresses would be ideal, since any obstructions in the direct signal path will slow down the network.


A normal wall will slow things down by 15-20% or so. A ceiling will slow things down by 30-40% of so, since a ceiling on average is usually about 3 times more dense than a wall. You get the idea why you want to have line-of-sight as much as possible.


If you are after top performance, you will need to wire the second Express back to the first, since there will be no signal loss through the Ethernet cable up to 300+ feet, or about 100 meters.


You can probably leave the WiFi on at the modem/router.....in case you want to have a separate wireless network for "guests' or the kids. Or, turn off the WiFi on the modem/router if you don't need another network.

Sep 25, 2017 1:27 PM in response to DucatiMonster1100S

I just got off talking to two Best Buy support teams and both of them said that the Airport Express (or even with using one Extreme and Express) will act like a PowerLine extender. Meaning, if I have my HOMENETWORK_5G SSID from my current router then using an Airport Express upstairs would create a different SSID so that I would still have the same problem having to switch between SSIDs.

This is not correct. By default, the Apple extender will provide the exact same wireless network name and use the exact same password as the "main" AirPort, as long as you use 2 AirPorts. This is true no matter whether you connect the AirPorts using wireless, or using a wired Ethernet connection.


They informed me that the Google - Google Wifi AC1200 Dual-Band Whole Home Wi-Fi System and the eero - AC Whole Home Wi-Fi System are the only options in which it will be a true extender of my SSID (network) and not have the problem of different SSIDs to connect to when upstairs to get better coverage. Are you aware if this is true?

See my answer just above. I don't know on Eero or Google since I have not tested either product. I do know for a fact that there are any number of routers that can be configured to provide the exact same wireless network name, password, etc in extended networks. Cisco, Linksys, ATT, Asus, etc, so the Best Buy folks are imagining things if they think otherwise.


If I got either the Airport Extreme/Express or the Eero or Google wifi packages, then when I use an ethernet cable to plug the picked router into the now motorola router, am I still able to have the TV, apple tv, and PS4 hardline/ethernet connection to internet through it's ethernet cable to the motorola modem

Yes, with an AirPort Extreme or AirPort Express. I don't know on Eero or Google since I don't have either of those products here to test.

Sep 25, 2017 3:34 PM in response to DucatiMonster1100S

I read this as my 5GHz signal is still being used and just enhanced/extended with the airport express and NOT being the airport taking the 5GHz signal and then making another SSID based on the signal and extending it that way.

That is correct. Both AirPorts provide a network that uses the exact same wireless network name(s).


But, I would caution you regarding 5 GHz. These signals are weaker than 2.4 GHz signals, so 5 GHz is only going to work well when your wireless device is close to the router, or it has line of sight to the router. That is why I am stressing the importance of your extender having line of sight to the main AirPort....so it will connect using 5 GHz. Otherwise, the extender will connect using 2.4 GHz, since that is a much stronger signal.


If your extender does not have line of sight to the main router or very close to it, then you should wire the AirPorts together using an Ethernet cable. Better yet, wired them together anyway, and then you will know that your network is performing at its best. That is the type of setup that I use.

Sep 25, 2017 3:11 PM in response to DucatiMonster1100S

However, upon setting up the wifi (which I spend an hour with Netgear support in setting up), they informed me that there is no way to EXTEND my current HOMENETWORK_2.4G and/or HOMENETWORK_5G networks. Instead, I now have two more SSIDS (HOMENETWORK_NETGEAR2.4G and HOMENETWORK_NETGEAR5G)

If Netgear support has told you that there is no way for you to do what you want your network to do, I would take them at their word.


If you want to try 2 AirPorts, and you buy from Apple, you have 14 days to return the product for full credit or refund if you are not satisfied. Other stores and other manufacturers that you might be considering may have similar policies.


Apple's default setup will assign both the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz signals to use the same wireless network name. Your devices....if they are capable....will automatically connect to the signal with the strongest signal. This makes things very simple, and it is the simple setups that always seem to be the most reliable. This is the type of setup that I have used for years. The only problem that I've ever had was that relatives want to visit just to use the wireless.


It involves a few more clicks of the mouse, but you do also have the option to assign separate names to the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz signals if you want to go that route. I don't use this type of configuration, but some other users swear by this type of setup. And, other users just swear when they try this, because they don't want to be bothered with selecting from 2 different wireless network names on each their devices.


In either case, whether you have both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz signals using the same wireless network name, or you want to have a separate name for each of the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz signals, the "extending" AirPort will be a mirror image of your main AirPort.


Downsides to considering 2 AirPorts......It has been 5 years since Apple introduced the Express and their plans for future products are not known. If you want to go with the latest technology, that would not be Apple.

Sep 25, 2017 5:59 PM in response to DucatiMonster1100S

Correct.


Now, for a few checks to make sure that the network will do what you want, performance wise. The AirPort Express has 100 Mbps Ethernet ports, so the top speed that the Express can ever provide over wireless or wired connections is.....100 Mbps.


That will not be an issue if your Internet connection plan is 100 Mbps or less. But....if your Internet connection plan is faster......300 Mbps for example, as is my plan with Spectrum, then the Express would be a poor choice, since you will be giving away two thirds of the performance capability on the network.


An AirPort Extreme, which will easily handle 500+ Mbps Internet connections would be a much better and obvious choice.


Next item, the USB port on the AirPort Express will only support a compatible printer. The USB port on an AirPort Extreme will support a printer or a hard drive, if you were thinking about network data storage.


The wireless antennas (6) on the AirPort Extreme are all located right up at the top of the "tower". The wireless antennas (4) on the Express are inside the device. Not too difficult to figure out which AirPort will provide the better wireless speed and range.

Sep 25, 2017 1:04 PM in response to Bob Timmons

Thank you so much for this response. I want to reply because I just got off talking to two Best Buy support teams and both of them said that the Airport Express (or even with using one Extreme and Express) will act like a PowerLine extender. Meaning, if I have my HOMENETWORK_5G SSID from my current router then using an Airport Express upstairs would create a different SSID so that I would still have the same problem having to switch between SSIDs. They informed me that the Google - Google Wifi AC1200 Dual-Band Whole Home Wi-Fi System and the eero - AC Whole Home Wi-Fi System are the only options in which it will be a true extender of my SSID (network) and not have the problem of different SSIDs to connect to when upstairs to get better coverage. Are you aware if this is true?


Finally, an add-on question (sorry for my technology illiterate knowledge), but right now I have the current Motorola modem/router combo serving as both modern and router and it has 4 ethernet ports in which I can connect my TV, apple TV, PS4, and current PowerLine extender. If I got either the Airport Extreme/Express or the Eero or Google wifi packages, then when I use an ethernet cable to plug the picked router into the now motorola router, am I still able to have the TV, apple tv, and PS4 hardline/ethernet connection to internet through it's ethernet cable to the motorola modem or would they not connect to the internet and I have to have them connected to the router? I ask because the routers seem to have only 1 or maybe 2 ethernet connections and I prefer to have the TV, apple TV, and PS4 connected by ethernet for strong speed rather than using Wifi.


Really appreciate all the advice!

Sep 25, 2017 2:27 PM in response to Bob Timmons

Bob, you are a wonderful person, thank you for all of this information. Based on your responses, I then have the question regarding my current setup and if I can maybe use if more effectively and that it was just setup wrong then. As mentioned, I have the Motorola MG7550 modem+wifi router being used as both modem and router and is located downstairs in the living room. It was setup where I had HOMENETWORK_2.4G and HOMENETWORK_5G. When we are in the living room, both 2.4 and 5g have full coverage, when we walk down the hall for 15 feet into the kitchen, the 5g kicks off and the 2.4 speed drops to dial-up basically. When we walk back to the living room, both bands increase signal/speed. When we then walk upstairs to the two bedrooms (there are 2-3 walls as well as the ceiling in between the modem/router and the bedrooms), the 5g drops half the way up and the 2.4 drops to dial up speed again. Thus, I purchased the Netgear PowerLine 1000. I plugged into wall power and ethernet cable to the Motorola modem/route. Then I took the extender item of the Netgear unit and plugged it into the wall power in the upstairs guest room where I work. When I plug my computer directly into the Netgear extender with the ethernet cable, I have great connection. However, upon setting up the wifi (which I spend an hour with Netgear support in setting up), they informed me that there is no way to EXTEND my current HOMENETWORK_2.4G and/or HOMENETWORK_5G networks. Instead, I now have two more SSIDS (HOMENETWORK_NETGEAR2.4G and HOMENETWORK_NETGEAR5G). So, when I am upstairs, if I connect to the Netgear named SSIDs, I have good signal and speed, but the moment I start walking downstairs to the living room and hall/kitchen, the Netgear SSIDs weaken and get super slow. Thus, I have to manually switch back over to my original SSIDs. This is very annoying when I walk from the living room, to the kitchen, then upstairs and if I am on FaceTime, or streaming any media, it will buffer and cut out since there is no continuous SSID coverage/strong signal. So, my next question is, are you aware if the PowerLine units (like the Netgear that I have) can only operate like this, or should they be able to extend my original SSIDs/network and not create other ones that I have to switch connecting to. This will help me know if I have the appropriate hardware already and need help to configure again or if the hardware isn't adequate for what I want and then I need to get the Apple Expresses.


Thanks again!

Sep 25, 2017 3:15 PM in response to Bob Timmons

This makes sense.


For the last part of your response: "In either case, whether you have both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz signals using the same wireless network name, or you want to have a separate name for each of the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz signals, the "extending" AirPort will be a mirror image of your main AirPort."


I get the idea that the devices will connect to the signal with the strongest signal, so for my understanding, if I am on a FaceTime call on my iPad in the living room and I'm on the 5GHz signal, when I start to walk upstairs to the bedroom, since I would have one of the apple airport express extenders in the bedroom, the signal on the 5GHz should stay strong enough to maintain consistent FaceTime call? I think the phrase I'm trying to make sure I understand is 'mirror image of your main Airport." I read this as my 5GHz signal is still being used and just enhanced/extended with the airport express and NOT being the airport taking the 5GHz signal and then making another SSID based on the signal and extending it that way.


Sorry for the back and forth, but, you're really helping me out and making me think of those next questions so that I'll feel confident to purchase what I need and have an easy install and not frustrated on step 1.

Sep 25, 2017 4:36 PM in response to Bob Timmons

I am looking at wiring the extender. So, where the motorola modem is, is connected by Spectrum cable. I would then use ethernet cable from modem to the first Apple Airport Express unit. Thus, that would broadcast the 2.4 and 5GHz wireless in my living room. I would have the TV, Apple TV, and PS4 ethernet cable connection to the motorola modem (since it has 4 ports for connection and the Airport Express I believe would only have one free port). Then, upstairs, I would use a second Airport Express. Since there is no line of sight to the Airport Express and modem downstairs, I would anticipate that getting 5GHz to be strong and consistent would be not possible and the 2.4GHz might also be slower. However, in the bedroom, there is a CAT5s port already fitted. If I were to open the port and then use an ethernet cable to plug into the port, am I correct in thinking that then I would have a direct feed to the upstairs Airport Express through the CAT5e port, thus, if I plugged my computer into to upstairs Airport Express via ethernet cable, I would have top speed. Additionally, my wifi (for devices not ethernet plugged into Airport Express, e.g., iPhones and iPads) in the bedroom/upstairs would have a very strong signal because I do have the Airport Express plugged into the port (even though there is no real line of sight to the downstairs Airport Express or a direct connection from the downstairs Airport Express directly to the upstairs one). Am I correct in this logic?

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