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Imac g3 screen issues. (after attempting to upgrade.)

Hello!
I was installing mac osx on my failry old imac g3. It told me that my firmware needed to be installed. So I clicked restart. When it restarted, my screen didn't show up at all! I restarted again and my screen was faint, crooked and blue. Now I can't even run my original os9!
Did I delete some kind of screen setting!?
How should I fix this!?

imac g3, Mac OS 9.1.x, loud!

Posted on Jan 9, 2007 6:11 PM

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Feb 3, 2007 4:48 AM in response to macwannabe12

I have the same problem - after upgrade attempt to OSX my CRT G3 gone dark. X also told me about firmware to update.
Now after switching on I can only hear 'tada' from the speakers and after 10 seconds mac shut down. Screen do not even blink or something - is dead.

How can I start my mac? Any ideas?


PS First hint that I received was to restart my iMac with combination 'apple alt+PR'. And to remove RAM for a while.
Do not helped 😟



Regards,

Leszek

iMac G3 Mac OS X (10.4)

iMac G3 Mac OS X (10.4)

Feb 19, 2007 12:28 PM in response to Leszek

"New hope"
After deinstaling lot of pieces from my iMAC I resurected him partialy using this link http://www.gileskennedy.com/panthereatsimac - thanks to mrtotes. Now I can see something on my PC monitor (If you ever seen movie "Predator" you can imagine what I can see :/ ). Anyway - my old system do not respond. I tried to start Mac with alt - but it seems that there is no any system on HDD.
I tried to install OS 9 but screen is strange that it is not possible to read anything. I also never instaled OS 9 previously.
How can I install 'old' OS and download new firmware? Please help!

iMac G3 in coma Mac OS X (10.4)

iMac G3 Mac OS X (10.4)

Feb 19, 2007 12:43 PM in response to Leszek

The normal sequence of a Firmware Update presupposes the machine
requiring it would have at least the necessary OS on the drive before the
Firmware update is attempted; and of course, before any further OS
upgrades are attempted. Even booting from an OSX installer can mess
up an othewise good pre-Firmware updated computer needing it.

Short of having an OS9 system on a hard drive with the firmware software on
it but not installed; and dropping it into the iMac to see if you can get
the update to fix it that way, I don't know of anything easy in this situation.

Feb 19, 2007 1:08 PM in response to K Shaffer

To be honest I do not have original OS 9. I bought my iMac with preinstaled OS on HDD. Now I have boxed Tiger. Only one thing that I neeed is to update the firmware. Later it will be easy.
Is it possible to download firmware on PC, then save it on pendrive and later - download from pendrive via USB to my Mac?

After resurecting my iMac I can't start neither Explorer or Netscape - there is warning window afrer pressing icon - but I can't read letters from external monitor 😟

Any hints?

regards,

iMac G3 in coma Mac OS X (10.4)

Feb 19, 2007 2:14 PM in response to Leszek

Without a needed firmware update installed, odd things can happen and
usually the worst is a failed logicboard. Some of the resurrecting procedures
if done correctly and not too late, may get the computer back from the dead;
but there also could be software corruption on the hard drive, too.

Some users had reported a means of using a second Macintosh and a
FireWire cable to get the first one to see a firmware update; but I don't
recall the steps they took nor the details of the source I read it from.
Been about three years now since I last owned an iMac400DV and it
had the logicboard & other components replaced when I gave it away.

Feb 19, 2007 2:35 PM in response to K Shaffer

I don't care about data on HDD 🙂 Maybe somebody will be so kind and prepare for me .iso file in Mac format with firmware file? I tried to burn CD om my PC with this file but Mac seems to ignore CD. Anyway I'm not suprised.

Other question - how to improve quality of picture on external monitor?

Regards,

Leszek

iMac G3 in coma Mac OS 9.1.x

Feb 19, 2007 6:33 PM in response to Leszek

For a firmware update to be applied to such a machine, the machine has
to be running/booted into OS 9.1/9.2; and support for the USB pen/flash
drive would have to be working inside the computer to import from one.

If the iMac G3 has FireWire ports, you could use a FW cable from another
Mac and use that Mac to import the firmware update into the hard drive of
the other computer; or use disk utilities of the proper type to attempt to
repair the old iMac's hard disk drive before going further. Could be not
only is the logicboard in jeopardy, the drive may also have issues.
[In some cases, a dead or weak clock battery can also be a problem in
the process of firmware updates and PRAM matters.]

The incompatibility of pre-Firmware updated iMac G3s to properly
display video is part of the symptom you get to experience in a sit-
uation where the OSX was installed (or X disc was used to boot the
computer, before firmware was updated in the running OS9 system.)

A different hard drive with the OS9 system for the iMac installed on it
with the Firmware Update on it, and put into the iMac could help in the
process; but you'd have to run the Firmware update after the computer
itself was physically installed in the drive to flash the computer's ROM
and upgrade the bootROM firmware to 4.1.9 or whatever your's needs.

A universally recorded CD-R would work in both a Mac and a PC; Mac
users have been making these for years, usually on a Mac, of course!

Discussions and ideas about the failed or non-applied firmware update:

Firmware problem solver tutorial for slot-loading CRT iMac G3s:
http://www.capecodgraphics.com/imac_firmware.htm

http://www.capecodgraphics.com/pages/macintosh.html

There are a few different approaches to attempting to solve this;
one company has a special process and wanted to sell something;
this following quote is someone's experience from the above link.

"...I thought, what the heck, it's good as dead already... why not try one
more thing? So, I held down the Programmer's button on the side of the
iMac while starting it up.. and bingo! It didn't shut down this time! The
screen was black, but it was up and running to some extent. I hooked up
a PC monitor to the iMac and saw the Open Firmware screen. This was
pretty exciting, until I realized that it was not accepting any input from the
keyboard or mouse. What now? I stuck my OS 9.2 CD into the slot, did
the "3 finger salute" reboot, held down the C key and prayed harder than I
have in a while.... and eureka! The CD booted the iMac successfully! I
was able to do a clean install of the OS to upgrade it from 9.0 to 9.2,
restart the Mac; then upgrade its firmware..." -- may not be repeatable.

Anyway, hopefully you get more feedback on this and a resolution solution!

Feb 24, 2007 2:10 PM in response to K Shaffer

Thanks to local apple shop I have firmware on CD. But I still need information how should look update process. I have attached external monitor but video is very bad and I can not read anything on the screen. I click on update firmware, later I can see something what remind me something like license agreement. Below there are four buttons (can not read descripions). I press most right one. Then I see window with progress bar ant two buttons. Progres bar very quickly reaches end of the scale and the window disapears. According to firmware update documentation there should be window which ask me to shut down iMac. But in my opinion wasn't. There was also no any other info or window on screen.
Maybe someone has screenshots with scren-by-screen updating process (kind request to apple software engineers)?

Best regards,

Leszek


iMac G3 during resurection Mac OS X (10.4)
iMac G3 Mac OS X (10.4)

Feb 27, 2007 2:44 AM in response to Leszek

Good to hear you were able to make the computer work; and the video
problem is one of the symptoms of the improper video information of
the older firmware and graphics information setup prior to OSX.

The page I found the information (links to capecod pages) belong to
a mac user who posts in these boards; dreed2. I found them most
indirect of these Apple Discussion forums, however.

Best wishes in your further Macintosh adventures; and happy computing! 🙂

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