MacOS High Sierra kills terminal FTP?

This is not "Solved". That is not even a logical answer, an insecure FTP client does not compromise the operating system security and unencrypted FTP is still widely used, especially inside corporate lans. Now we have to go install third party builds which in some ways actually CAN compromise security. Apple is getting more and more disappointing every year.

My god, this company is really becoming a joke. So many bugs in their iOS software that should never make it to the light of day with the consumer, yet lets add more BS to the phone and not fix anything.

Now this on the MacOS... really?

No way on earth I'll ever go for a locked down desktop or laptop/notebook computer. iPads are barely bearable and cause me some degree of regret as they are whilst using them in that I need more freedom as a developer. They do not cater to developer level flexibility with regards to code editing and shell usage, etc. which are critical for our workflow patterns.

That has been my concern for some time. I do not want a desktop iPad/iPhone/iAnyThingElse. I am really starting to miss command line only computing even for shell access to the internet. I tried wiping my computer and installing El Capitan but things would no longer work and I kept getting messages about updating my OS; and that was on my pre-Harvey iMac, I have not even considered trying that on this new iMac.

The Apple thought cops are starting to vacuum big time, and that's for sure and for certain. Perhaps I should look into a Debian box.

Well, I can 100% feel your concern. We're not there yet and I'm able to operate as per norm on 10.13.x (aside from some performance glitches with 10.13.3+). I will never accept SIP or Gatekeeper. Period. Fortunately I can turn them off, but as soon as I can't... I'm gone or will be sticking with the last version that does and then put my support behind Linux efforts.

Linux UI and app support isn't there yet. There is a Linux project that I'm quite keen of at the moment, but won't mention here, that could make all the difference in the world for us. We definitely need to be able to run our os x apps in other green pastures when the time comes and I believe we will from the way things are going.

Apple's definitely losing it's way right now. I've been told by internals that Apple doesn't truly care about macOS anymore, it's really all about iOS and mobile devices - that's their bread and butter.

But yes, if we are to have real options lined up for when Apple goes completely south, the movement has to grow well past the hackintosh movement. It can all be done, but the lack of unity and fragmentation in the Linux and Unix communities in general have completely screwed things up over the last 20 years.

Along the same lines regarding security, what do you think about sandboxing? Evidently, it is required to be used if an application is to be marketed on the App Store. So I bought a fairly expensive app on the App Store that did not work and the developer thinks it is all related to the sandbox security.

Removing basic Unix commands without regard for the impact on users and applications is reckless. FTP and TELNET have been basic functions of Unix since its early days. Removing them arbitrarily without providing a way for users to get them back is unacceptable. Why not make them available from the App Store for those of us who really need them? It's not up to Apple to dictate how secure my systems should be. Give me the tools to make it secure but do not impose your view of security on me.

The /usr/bin/ftp and /usr/bin/sftp are different applications. The latter will not work on sites that are not configured to support secure FTP.

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on Mac mini Server (Late 2012)

Apple, ARE YOU KIDDING? Even Microsoft provides telnet and ftp clients.

I'm about to reload my mac from my Sierra backup. THANK GOD FOR CARBON COPY!

This thread is about the shell command ftp and not a specific client...

https://linux.die.net/man/1/ftp

What a joke.

I tried this, but "which ftp" still can't find ftp. Any tips?

Cronetpro, did it work?

BMan28 wrote:

My god, this company is really becoming a joke. <snip>

Now this on the MacOS... really?

They must be doing something right as a $900B company.