score editor: tuplets.

well, technically it is a a sextuplet you are trying to write since there is a semiquaver in there. yeah yeah i know - that is not how we read but that is how logic 'thinks'. it sees the semiquaver as making the tuplet base 16.

if you are happy to leave it like this then great, otherwise you can hide the bracket and the number (it will greyed out and with parenthesis on screen but it won't print out) and put the '3' with the text tool.

just one of the many many things that will need to be addressed when the score editor is updated.

you can but you need to set the tuplet to base 16 and to allow double values.

just enter a normal triplet, edit the note that should be a semiquaver, double-click the number to open the tuplet editor, and make it show 6:4.

don't forget to make sure your display quantization is correct.

just one of the many many things that will need to be

addressed when the score editor is updated.

At the risk of being labeled a pessimist I will believe it when I see it. I have been with these guys since Notator on the Atari but I just don't belive that Apple believes there are nearly as many potential sales by an improved score editor as there are in some sexy new faetures like Live has and other apps and so that is where their development time is going IMHO.

I will be happy if I am proven wrong and have to apologize.

well we shall of course see. many of logics highest flying and most influential customers use the score editor. it can't be argued that the score editor is so ineffectual there is no point in using it. nor can it be argued that the score editor as it was intended is functioning correctly. all important areas of logic should work correctly and the score editor is one of them.

think about the rise of the orchestral library - a fairly recent phenomena (in terms of the number and quality). getting greater functionality out of the score for use with them should surely be part of any sensible business plan. one of our forum members had a conversation with someone from the logic team who indicated that there was 'movement' in this area from logic*. since he was extremely postive about the conversation i assume that it did not mean it was going to be wrapped in bog-roll and consigned to programming purgatory.

so i remain optimistic. don't you remember the nay-sayers about the PPC quad fix? they came through for us in the end didn't they. i can understand your pessimism though - it has been way to long between drinks.

* this was some time ago but i think the thread may still be available if you are interested.

well we shall of course see. many of logics highest
flying and most influential customers use the score
editor. it can't be argued that the score editor is
so ineffectual there is no point in using it. nor can
it be argued that the score editor as it was intended
is functioning correctly. all important areas of
logic should work correctly and the score editor is
one of them.

think about the rise of the orchestral library - a
fairly recent phenomena (in terms of the number and
quality). getting greater functionality out of the
score for use with them should surely be part of any
sensible business plan. one of our forum members had
a conversation with someone from the logic team who
indicated that there was 'movement' in this area from
logic. since he was extremely postive about the
conversation i assume that it did not mean it was
going to be wrapped in bog-roll and consigned to
programming purgatory.

so i remain optimistic. don't you remember the
nay-sayers about the PPC quad fix? they came through
for us in the end didn't they. i can understand your
pessimism though - it has been way to long between
drinks.

Rohan, as you may know I teach Logic Pro at UCLA Extension and you would be surprised (dismayed) how many students don't even read music.

I have had eamils form users saying that Apple should eliminate the score because "traditional notation is too imprecise", "modern music doesn't lend itself to traditional notation, it is too old fashioned " and other such nonsense.

As I say from a business standpoint in terms of selling NEW users on Logic I am not sure Apple will think it is a wise use of deevloper time compared to otehr stuff but I will be happy if I am wrong.

Slightly off topic but my eye was caught by the discussion between Asher and Rohan regarding improvements to the Logic Score Editor - I could make a great business case for simply copying some of the features from Sibelius and Digital Performer. It cannot cost that much to improve Logic Score Editor by a leap and bound, and the are many many pro purchasers of Logic that would like an all in one midi/audio/scoring programme. Just think how many jingle writers/teachers/music students and arrangers of all kinds in the music industry who would welcome such an improvement..no? ")

yeah - there is but its a workaround just as i described. i can do it.

exactly. i have heard the 'very few people making music these days read music' argument before, but i think anyone really serious about the biz will have to at some point. i am big advocate of the score editor in logic because of its structure and the integration with other editors. no other programme allows you the speed at which you can compose say a full orchestral work than with logic. you can manipulate data in so many more ways and see it displayed differently, and you can customize completely how you want to work.

it already is a thing of genius IMO, at least in terms of how it was intended to work. but - it doesn't quite work as advertised and short of some really important features. following the structure, correcting the problems and adding just a handful of features would make the world of difference in my view. not hard and it should be done as a matter of course.

exactly. i have heard the 'very few people making
music these days read music' argument before, but i
think anyone really serious about the biz will have
to at some point. i am big advocate of the score
editor in logic because of its structure and the
integration with other editors. no other programme
allows you the speed at which you can compose say a
full orchestral work than with logic. you can
manipulate data in so many more ways and see it
displayed differently, and you can customize
completely how you want to work.

it already is a thing of genius IMO, at least in
terms of how it was intended to work. but - it
doesn't quite work as advertised and short of some
really important features. following the structure,
correcting the problems and adding just a handful of
features would make the world of difference in my
view. not hard and it should be done as a matter of
course.

Obviously I totally agree with all of this, Rohan. But this is no longer just Emagic, this is Apple.

As I say I will be very happy if when Logic 8 comes out I have to come back here and say, "Hey, apologies to Apple, I was wrong."

But if I were a betting man....