How do I backup multiple drives to an 8TB drive?

I bought a 8TB drive and I want to back up (6) non-bootable drives to the 8TB drive.


As far as I can see, the only options are:


No. 1) Make 6 partitions on the 8TB and use Super Duper to carbon clone each drive to each of its partition.


No. 2) Create a Disk Imagine on the 8TB and copy to it all 6 drives again using SuperDuper.


A) This is the problem. Say I go with No. 2. If I change anything to any of the 6 backed up drives, if I want to back up this new change onto the 8TB, will it back up everything again, or just the new additions?


B) Again with No. 2, if one of the 6 drives no longer works, how do I extract the info from the 8TB and back that up to the new drive?


Maybe I'm answering my own question, but am I better off with No. 1?


Or is there a better way to do this?


Thanks!

Mac Pro, macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Posted on Nov 25, 2017 2:19 PM

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Posted on Nov 25, 2017 2:35 PM

Time Machine will backup all the drives to one backup drive but keep each drive separate. You can also use Time Machine or another backup utility that backs up each drive to its own partition on the backup drive.


Pretty much all backup utilities can do incremental backups that only backup the changes since the last backup. But do not attempt to backup to a disk image file.


Basic Backup


For some people, Time Machine will be more than adequate. Time Machine is part of OS X. There are two components:


The Time Machine preferences panel which is part of System Preferences;

A Time Machine application located in the Applications folder. It is used to manage backups and to restore backups.

Time Machine requires a backup drive that is at least double the capacity of the drive(s) it backs up.


Alternatively, get an external drive at least equal in size to the internal hard drive and make (and maintain) a bootable clone/backup. You can make a bootable clone using the Restore option of Disk Utility. You can also make and maintain clones with good backup software. My personal recommendations are (order is not significant):


  1. Carbon Copy Cloner
  2. Get Backup
  3. Deja Vu
  4. SuperDuper!


Visit The XLab FAQs and read the FAQ on backup and restore. Also, read How to Back Up and Restore Your Files. For help with using Time Machine visit Pondini's Time Machine FAQ for help with all things Time Machine.


Although you can buy a complete external drive system, you can also put one together if you are so inclined. It's relatively easy and only requires a Phillips head screwdriver (typically.) You can purchase hard drives separately. This gives you an opportunity to shop for the best prices on a hard drive of your choice. Reliable brands include Seagate, Hitachi, Western Digital, Toshiba, and Fujitsu. You can find reviews and benchmarks on many drives at Storage Review.


Enclosures for FireWire and USB are readily available. You can find only FireWire enclosures, only USB enclosures, and enclosures that feature multiple ports. I would stress getting enclosures that use the Oxford chipsets especially for Firewire drives (911, 921, 922, for example.) You can find enclosures at places such as;


  1. Cool Drives
  2. OWC
  3. WiebeTech
  4. Firewire Direct
  5. California Drives
  6. NewEgg


All you need do is remove a case cover, mount the hard drive in the enclosure and connect the cables, then re-attach the case cover. Usually, the only tool required is a small or medium Phillips screwdriver.

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Nov 25, 2017 2:35 PM in response to Imagine

Time Machine will backup all the drives to one backup drive but keep each drive separate. You can also use Time Machine or another backup utility that backs up each drive to its own partition on the backup drive.


Pretty much all backup utilities can do incremental backups that only backup the changes since the last backup. But do not attempt to backup to a disk image file.


Basic Backup


For some people, Time Machine will be more than adequate. Time Machine is part of OS X. There are two components:


The Time Machine preferences panel which is part of System Preferences;

A Time Machine application located in the Applications folder. It is used to manage backups and to restore backups.

Time Machine requires a backup drive that is at least double the capacity of the drive(s) it backs up.


Alternatively, get an external drive at least equal in size to the internal hard drive and make (and maintain) a bootable clone/backup. You can make a bootable clone using the Restore option of Disk Utility. You can also make and maintain clones with good backup software. My personal recommendations are (order is not significant):


  1. Carbon Copy Cloner
  2. Get Backup
  3. Deja Vu
  4. SuperDuper!


Visit The XLab FAQs and read the FAQ on backup and restore. Also, read How to Back Up and Restore Your Files. For help with using Time Machine visit Pondini's Time Machine FAQ for help with all things Time Machine.


Although you can buy a complete external drive system, you can also put one together if you are so inclined. It's relatively easy and only requires a Phillips head screwdriver (typically.) You can purchase hard drives separately. This gives you an opportunity to shop for the best prices on a hard drive of your choice. Reliable brands include Seagate, Hitachi, Western Digital, Toshiba, and Fujitsu. You can find reviews and benchmarks on many drives at Storage Review.


Enclosures for FireWire and USB are readily available. You can find only FireWire enclosures, only USB enclosures, and enclosures that feature multiple ports. I would stress getting enclosures that use the Oxford chipsets especially for Firewire drives (911, 921, 922, for example.) You can find enclosures at places such as;


  1. Cool Drives
  2. OWC
  3. WiebeTech
  4. Firewire Direct
  5. California Drives
  6. NewEgg


All you need do is remove a case cover, mount the hard drive in the enclosure and connect the cables, then re-attach the case cover. Usually, the only tool required is a small or medium Phillips screwdriver.

Nov 25, 2017 2:40 PM in response to Imagine

IF and only if all these drives are MacOS formatted drives (MacOS extended file system or HFS+) you can turn on the built-in backup system called Time Machine in System Preferences.


Specify the 8TB drive as the Backup destination drive. Specify that none of your drives are on the EXCLUDE list. if Time Machine ask to initialize the destination drive, that is as expected. Then go about your business -- it will take all afternoon and into the night, BUT you can use your Mac reasonably well for whatever you like while it runs.


On MacOS format drives, MacOS maintains the File System Event Store, a list modified folders. This allows Time machine to make its next backup really quickly. Rather than having to scan every file for its modified date, it can just consult the list of changed folders.


I would like to post a link to the wonderful Time Machine and MacOS site created by the late James Pond, but it currently offline.

Nov 25, 2017 3:25 PM in response to Imagine

All I will say about Time Machine is that it is easy to setup and use. Personally, I won't use it. I prefer using third-party backup software using incremental backups to a bootable clone. The latter can be a separate disk or a partition on a disk. Unlike Time Machine these backups can be used to replace a startup drive, are reliable, are faster than Time Machine, and use less disk space than Time Machine.


If the six drives you have were 1TB each, then you would need a minimum of 12TBs for the backup drive -at least 2-3 times the capacity of the disks being backed up. Your 8TB drive is too small.

Nov 25, 2017 6:18 PM in response to Imagine

Volume could not be unmounted.


It looks like that drive is actively being used for something -- like you might be running from a System on it, or Sharing its files.


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If you use SuperDuper and are familiar with it, that is probably what you should use for your big Backup.


I am not certain you need to partition this big drive. I would look into copying each drive into a folder named after the drive. if that is not easy, then copy the first drive, create a new folder, drop everything into the new Folder. Then copy the second drive, copy all its stuff into its new folder, and so on.


Then you get the largest possible free space, and no fragmentation issues.

Nov 25, 2017 6:25 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

From the looks of it, I had to create a 1TB partition, select that and then Apply it. I did that 6 times. Somehow I couldn't add and apply all the partitions at the same time.


I decided to do it this way just in case I needed to add or change files on one of the partitions. I don't know if this is the best way, but I now have 6 additional drives on my desktop, something I didn't want, but seems somewhat logical for what I'm trying to achieve.


Thank you and Kappy for all your help. I really appreciate it.

Nov 25, 2017 3:27 PM in response to Imagine

Time Machine's big "claim to fame" is that it is the backup that actually gets done, because it works automatically and at low priority in the background, so that you don't have to set up a separate, convenient time to do nothing but backups. (There is no convenient time to back up and do Nothing else.)


The first full backup takes quite a while, but you don't give up the use of your Mac while it is working.


Another "cute trick" is that Time Machine.app, used to Restore, can show you exactly how a folder looked as of ANY still-available date&time for which there was anything backed up.

Nov 25, 2017 3:42 PM in response to Imagine

Time Machine requires at least 2-3 times that much capacity because Time Machine is not an incremental backup that overwrites old files. It is an archiving backup that keeps old and new versions so you can go back in time. For a Time Machine backup drive, you need from 12-18TBs. With an 8TB backup drive pretty soon you would run out of space and have to reformat the drive to start over.

Time Machine deletes older files if they have been deleted from the source when it needs space on the backup drive for a new incremental backup. Time Machine "thins" it's backups; hourly backups over 24 hours old, except the first of the day; those "daily" backups over 30 days old, except the first of the week. The weeklies are kept as long as there's room.


How long a backup file remains depends on how long it was on your Mac before you deleted it, assuming you do at least one backup per day. If it was there for at least 24 hours, it will be kept for at least a month. If it was there for at least a week, it will be kept as long as there's room. By default, Time Machine backs up hourly. That cannot be changed in Time Machine. There are third-party utilities that will modify the backup interval such as Time Machine Editor.


The Time Capsule sparse bundle grows in size as needed, but doesn't shrink. Thus, from the user's viewpoint of the Time Capsule, it appears that no space has been freed, although there may be space in the sparse bundle.


Once Time Machine finds it cannot free up enough space for a new backup it reports the disk is full. You can either erase the backup drive and start over or get a larger drive.

Nov 25, 2017 3:43 PM in response to Imagine

Unlike other incremental Backups, Time Machine does not immediately discard all the older versions of files. so it is storing more than just the latest version.


That is what allows it to do the "cute trick" it is named for, and show you every folder for any date&time for which any Backup data still exists.


Over time, it will start to discard complete older Backup sets from long ago. But if your drive is too small, it will have to do this constantly, and it is computationally and I/O intensive (it has to go fix links to older files in each successive Backup in the chain of older backups) This starts to become a pain.

Nov 25, 2017 3:54 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Kappy and Grant, thank you for the explanations.


The 6 drives hold Native Instruments sample libraries, and various other virtual instrument libraries I use to compose. I'll never be adding anything else because they are all 90% full.


Basically, all I want to do is make a back up and put the 8TB drive away in case something happens to any of the 6 drives. So I don't need TM to keep "backing up". It's a one time deal.


Knowing this, am I still better with TM or should I use SuperDuper? I use SuperDuper to back up my main system drive and works perfectly. I just don't know how to backup multiple drives to an 8TB drive using SD.


I'm trying to keep this as easy as possible. :-)


Thanks again for your help.

Nov 25, 2017 4:35 PM in response to Imagine

I think the best way to handle this is to create 6 partitions on the 8TB and use SuperDuper to copy all files pertaining to each drive.


When I try to partition the 8TB, I get this message:


Running operation 1 of 2: Add “Untitled” by splitting “8TB Back Up”…

Verifying the disk

Verifying file system.

Volume could not be unmounted.

Using live mode.

Performing fsck_hfs -fn -l -x /dev/rdisk14s2

Performing live verification.

Checking Journaled HFS Plus volume.

Checking extents overflow file.

Checking catalog file.

Checking multi-linked files.

Checking catalog hierarchy.

Checking extended attributes file.

Checking volume bitmap.

Checking volume information.

The volume 8TB Back Up appears to be OK.

File system check exit code is 0.

Restoring the original state found as mounted.

Resizing

Shrinking file system

The partition cannot be resized.

Operation failed…


Do you know why this is failing?


Thanks!

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