High Sierra upgrade onto new SSD

I have a mid 2010 MacBook Pro running Sierra, running on the standard HDD which came supplied. I have purchased a Samsung Evo 850 SSD and wish to upgrade to High Sierra - installing my SSD as the new internal boot drive. I am trying to work out the best process for achieving this and wondered if anyone could please help advise ?


I have seen previous support notes that suggest

1) upgrading my Mac to High Sierra on the existing HDD

2) connecting my new SSD via a USB adapter

3) initialising my SSD using a "GUID Partition Table" with a "Mac OS Extended (Journaled)" filesystem

4) use the Disk Utility to clone my existing HDD onto the newly formatted SSD

5) test that I can boot from the new SSD, and if it works then replace my HDD with it


According to what I've read, my thoughts were that there may be an issue with the above: I have read that High Sierra will reformat my SSD at some point to use APFS (not sure if this is true). And since SSDs have a finite write/delete limit, it seems wasteful to have initialised the SSD as a Mac OS Extended filesystem in the first instance since any APFS conversion process would impact the SSDs lifespan. Therefore would it not be more efficient to initialise the new SSD as APFS in the first instance ?


As there seem to be a few bad experiences written about with regards to SSDs, APFS and High Sierra upgrades I just wondered if anyone had a 'tried and tested' process that would suit my use-case please ?.....


thanks in advance!!

MacBook Pro, macOS High Sierra (10.13.1)

Posted on Dec 3, 2017 12:27 PM

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Dec 3, 2017 2:07 PM in response to TomTheMacFan

Hi TomTheMacFan! (Nice nickname btw) I just recently had to do the same thing with my 2012 MacBook Pro. For me I was very worried about this process as well. Fortunately enough though, it was surprisingly simple. If you want to keep your data, then make sure you back it up to an external USB hard drive or a cloud backup (and copy the files over when you are done with the steps. If you don't want your data, just skip to step one.


1.) Go ahead and switch out the drives, you can watch how to do this here (for your 2010 Mac model of course) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd3RS-GGsCI

2.) Go ahead and boot up your Mac as normal (it will act weird booting up)

3.) By default, every Mac has a base (Recovery) OS. This base OS has drive formatting tools and macOS install capabilities. Go ahead and have your Mac download and install macOS on that SSD. NOTE: What every OS your Mac came with is going to be the OS it installs on it! So don't be surprised when you see an older version of macOS (for me it was El Capitan)

4.) Allow the OS to install, and I would recommend setting it up as a new Mac, then importing your files at a later date.

5.) Since you are going to have an older OS, go to the App Store and download and update to High Sierra.

6.) At this point, your Mac should be working properly on macOS High Sierra.


If you have any problems during this process, please feel free to reply to this thread and I'll help you out to the best of my ability.


Best of luck!

techguy5000

Dec 3, 2017 3:23 PM in response to TomTheMacFan

I would clone your internal Sierra drive to the external SSD (formatted HFS (Journaled) then update the external drive to HS. Your internal drive formatted to HFS will not work with the external drive if formatted to APFS. I would then test out the external drive and HS to see if any issues. If all OK then do the swap. I always do that to be sure the new OS works like I expect. If not I still have my original internal drive and OS that does work. I always use CCC for cloning but other ways work as well. No issue on SSD wear. Later if you reinstall HS on the internal drive (now SSD) it will reformat the drive to APFS.

Dec 3, 2017 1:58 PM in response to TomTheMacFan

I wouldn’t worry about wear and tear on the drive. However, you might want to format your new SSD using Sierra’s Disk Utility, since there have been reports that Disk Utility has been made even less capable in High Sierra: for example, not even “seeing” unformatted drives. Nor would I undertake this without having a drive enclosure on hand in which to install the new drive, format it, clone, and then boot from the clone. Perhaps this is what you mean by “USB adapter”?


Frankly, I would not install High Sierra at all at this point. There is no compelling reason to do so this early in the (insanely accelerated) release cycle. If your current system is working fine, wait.


You may find this helpful:


Is It Possible Not to Convert to APFS When Upgrading to High Sierra? | Other World Computing Blog

Dec 4, 2017 4:33 AM in response to TomTheMacFan

High Sierra will only auto format to APFS if it is an internal drive. When you do the upgrade on an external SSD it will not make it APFS. I did what you are doing so I know from experience. If you later swap out the internal drive for the HS external drive it will remain with HFS (journaled) format. However, if you should boot into recovery mode and pick "reinstall OS" I'm sure at that time it would format to APFS. That I have not tried but makes sense.

Dec 3, 2017 9:29 PM in response to tbirdvet

Thanks for the reply tbirdvet. I can understand your suggestion down to the very last sentence:


"Later if you reinstall HS on the internal drive (now SSD) it will reformat the drive to APFS."


...since at this stage, my SSD would already be installed with HS using the update process mentioned in step 1:


"I would clone your internal Sierra drive to the external SSD (formatted HFS (Journaled) then update the external drive to HS. "


...hence I wondered if I was mis-interpreting ? Also, through updating the external SSD drive as mentioned, does this convert the HFS filesystem to APFS by default ?


thanks again

Dec 5, 2017 1:49 PM in response to kahjot

In the end i decided not to upgrade to High Sierra at this point. From what I can gather there seems a reasonable amount of risk when using a 3rd party ssd (according to other posts on the web) when using 10.13.1, and without much tangible gain. Hence i cloned my existing HDD onto the SSD then swapped out the HDD. The only issue I've had was that MS Office requests your product pin code (it must register the install onto a physical disk) but i can sort that out. I am now in a quandry over whether or not to enable TRIM using 10.12.6 (Sierra) with a Samsung Evo 850 - I'll create a new post to get some feedback on this.

A big THANKS to all people who replied to my original post through - much appreciated!

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