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Can't change permissions on external drive

I can't change the permissions on an external USB drive. It's formatted as Mac OS Extended (journaled). My OS is High Sierra 10.13.2.

I can change the permissions on my internal system hard drive


When I click on the lock under Sharing and Permissions and enter an administrator name and password, it unlocks the icon. But I can't select any of the users and I can't select any of the options in the *, i.e. Apply to Enclosed Items and Revert Changes are both greyed out.


In one of the folders I'm trying to change I have read/write permission, Wheel has read/write, and Everyone has read only.


I'm using the drive for TimeMachine which works just fine. I've been using this drive for years with no problem.

I noticed the problem for the first time today when I tried to copy a file from my downloads folder to a folder on the drive.


I've ejected the drive and re-mounted it. I've run FirstAid under Disk Utility.

I've also run FirstAId under Disk Utility on my internal system drive.

I’ve restarted the system.

iMac (21.5-inch, Late 2013), macOS High Sierra (10.13), BitDefender 3.3.10586

Posted on Dec 28, 2017 10:31 PM

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Posted on Dec 29, 2017 7:37 AM

Is "Ignore ownership on this volume" available, and can you select it?


For a number of reasons, it's not a good idea to perform general file storage on a volume designated for Time Machine backups. All my TM drives became "read-only" coincident with a recent macOS upgrade or subsequent update, so what you're describing is normal.


This is normal:


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Dec 29, 2017 7:37 AM in response to croshaven

Is "Ignore ownership on this volume" available, and can you select it?


For a number of reasons, it's not a good idea to perform general file storage on a volume designated for Time Machine backups. All my TM drives became "read-only" coincident with a recent macOS upgrade or subsequent update, so what you're describing is normal.


This is normal:


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Dec 29, 2017 3:20 PM in response to croshaven

If it's available it will be at the bottom of the Get Info window. It's not shown in my screenshot because that drive is dedicated exclusively to TM backups.


Time Machine expects to use all of the volume dedicated to it. Its capacity will eventually be reached, after which TM will begin to remove old and expired backups. If you also want to use that drive for general purpose storage the solution is to partition it, bearing in mind that a catastrophic failure may render all its volumes permanently gone. If the video files on that same volume are important to you remember that TM isn't backing them up. It can't do that.

Dec 29, 2017 9:43 AM in response to John Galt

I don't see any option for "Ignore ownership on this volume." Would it be visible in Get Info?


I'm only using 571 GB of 2 TB drive for Time Machine backups. I'm using another folder on the drive for 117 GB of large video files that I need to occasionally access. I'm reluctant to dedicate this drive to only Time Machine when it has so much available space.

Dec 29, 2017 3:20 PM in response to croshaven

This "Ignore ownership on this volume" option is only shown for volumes that are not system volumes or are not TimeMachine volumes. If present, it is right below the "Sharing & Permissions" section in the "Get Info" window.


Note that the TimeMachine backup volume is "read-only" only for everyone user, but "read&write" for system and wheel users. So that's why normal users can't modify a TM backup, but the system can write to it during backups, as the TM backup is running as system user.


I agree with John Galt about not using the TM backup volume for "other" stuff. Regretting that decision later on is a problem you don't want to have. Don't mess with something so important as your backups...when you need em, they might become one of the most important thing in your life...Basically, the TM backup process scans the backup volume to determine there is room for the amount of data it wants to backup. By putting your stuff on the same volume, you could potentially cause it problems if it runs out of room in the middle of a backup when it thought it had room when the backup started.


If you really want to make use of some of the space on the TM disk, create two partitions - one for TM and one for your stuff. At least this way, your usage won't affect the TM backup space remaining estimate. But even then, your backup volume will still fill up eventually. When that happens, TM removes old backups to make room for new ones, and that's when you might come to regret the decision to not give TM all the space that is possible...


Good luck...

Can't change permissions on external drive

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