I need mix tips for mono overhead drum recording

This is a heavy rock recording with an organic "Stoner Rock" vibe. I'm wondering if anyone has good ideas and reasons for any particular placements in the stereo field.

Here are the tracks: kick, snare, overhead, room, tom1, tom2

also, is there a good forum that focuses on rock mixing?

G5 dual 2.3, Mac OS X (10.4.8), Logic 7, PT7 LE, 002, RME ff400

Posted on Jan 19, 2007 6:51 PM

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Jan 19, 2007 7:03 PM in response to bdevoid

hi, RHCP vibe, eh?

i like mono - and a mono o/h for the kit can be good.
at least no phase probs.
if one mic were used, it'll depend on the acoustics as to the final.
don't place anything dead center, but keep the kit around the center.
the o/h can be compressed in a number of ways. all valid, style depending.
listen fore time delays between the o/h and the close mics.

Jan 19, 2007 7:24 PM in response to David Robinson9

well, I think I want to keep the overhead open, bright and dynamic, and get the fatness from the room mic (compress THAT a little more?). It sounds kinda neat with each a little off center (without processing), but I worry about the two mics serving differnt purposes in the overall sound, and then being too asymetrically placed.

This band has a thick, Sabbath meets early ZZ top sound. It's more retro than RHCP. I'm allowed to have some fun with it, but I want the drums to sound pretty modern, hi-fi and snappy, despit the wonderfully fat snare approach.

Jan 21, 2007 1:12 AM in response to Jim Frazier

Thanks! At a glance that looks like a tracking configuration. I don't even know how exactly the session I'm mixing was miked. I did discover that the tom tracks are actually just hand-placed samples. (there's only a couple tom hits) So it's a 4-mic set up.

I'm still messing with this. I have this fantasy that someone knows about some kind of pseudo-ORTF trick or something.

Jan 21, 2007 8:54 AM in response to bdevoid

Opps... sorry. I misread your first post. I thought you were tracking...

If the overhead and room mics are mono (one each), obviously, keep them up the middle. Since they're not matched, certainly by placement, and possibly by microphone type a well, I think it would be moot point to try and create a stereo image out of them.

I think you'll get more milage out of sending each, to a decent room reverb. There's plenty of presets in Space Designer that would fit the bill here. Nothing to big, I'd suggest. Just something to add some "excitement", or "sizz", to the outer edge of the stereo field, and create a pseudo stereo image.

And squashing the room mic with compression, and tucking that underneath, or doing the parallel compression trick that upakrik mentioned, would definitely help add some "weight", or "depth" to the drums.

Or have I still misunderstood the question...?

Jan 21, 2007 11:55 AM in response to bdevoid

Working with the same problem, I had some success with the 'Stereo Spread' plug.
Insert > Mono/Stereo > Logic > Special > Stereo Spread

Especially on a mono OH: Because of it splitting the frequency range, you can fine tune it to move the different cymbals to the left and right. Same witht the toms.

You might need to mess with a hi-pass to keep the snare where you want it.

Jan 21, 2007 12:21 PM in response to Timothy B Hewitt

Hmm, or maybe only spead the high end. That's a neat plugin.

Has anyone tried a quasi mid-side idea? Something like splitting the overhad or room to stereo and reversing the polarity. This way it nulls out in a mono mix, but sounds stereo in a proper set up.

Anybody know if this is really a thing?

Anybody have any ideas about whether I should time-align and fix (match) the polarity on ecah of the tracks, or leave them the way they are (delayed naturally depending on mic position, and polarity affected by whether the drum was "sucking" or "pushing" based on how it was miked)

Jan 21, 2007 1:34 PM in response to bdevoid

Anybody have any ideas about whether I should time-align and fix (match) the polarity on ecah of the tracks, or leave them the way they are (delayed naturally depending on mic position, and polarity affected by whether the drum was "sucking" or "pushing" based on how it was miked)



This caught my eye, as possibly being something to try. If the room wasn't that big, you might get away with this, as a way of fabricating a stereo set up.

Certainly it's worth trying.

The polarity thing probably won't work. By definition, if you copy the track, and flip the phase, it'll cancel itself out, meaning silence. That's probably not what you had in mind : )

Still, you might stumble on something cool.... have fun!

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