Upgrade 6.0.5 to 7.5.5 on my SE/30

Hi there!


Anyone that can guide me through the steps necessary to upgrade my SE/30 from 6.0.5 to 7.5.5?


All tips are appreciated plus the fact how I get my hands on working floppies.


Thanks/Thomas

Posted on Jan 14, 2018 6:42 AM

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Jan 14, 2018 3:31 PM in response to Thomi9

The System 7 versions compatible with the SE/30:

7.0

7.0.1

7.1

7.1 Pro

7.5

7.5.1

7.5.3

7.5.5


Apple made 7.5.3 available for download as a full system (19 parts for the US version):


http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Version_7.5.3/System_7. 5.3_01of19.smi.bin

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Version_7.5.3/System_7. 5.3_02of19.part.bin

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Version_7.5.3/System_7. 5.3_03of19.part.bin

et cetera, until

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Version_7.5.3/System_7. 5.3_19of19.part.bin


The individual segments were small enough to be transferred on 1.44 MB floppies.

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Version_7.5.3/System_7. 5.3_Info.txt


7.5.5 was werely an update to 7.5.3:

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/System/System_7.5.5_Update/Sys_7.5.5_Update-NetInstall .sea.bin

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/System/System_7.5.5_Update/Sys_7.5.5_Update.txt


System 7.1 was never a download from Apple, contrary to 7.0.1:

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.0.x/System_7.0.1.smi.bin


Exactly how to transfer and install a new system on an SE/30 depends on what you have to work with. Do you have access to another pre-1998 Macintosh computer (with a built-in floppy drive for 1.44 MB)? If so, does that computer have an Ethernet port? Do you have access to an older Windows PC (with a floppy drive)? A modern Mac or PC? An external SCSI CD-ROM drive? A SCSI Zip or other hard drive? StuffIt Expander 4.0.1?

Jan 15, 2018 1:18 PM in response to Thomi9

Hej Thomas!


Yes, I am Swedish. Glad to be of help with a few suggestions regarding the SE/30 upgrade.


The nineteen files 7.5.3 system software version would require an existing boot disk with System 7.0.1 or higher. A Network Access Disk 7.5 can be used.

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Network_Access_Disk_7.5.sea.bin

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Network_Access_Disk_7.5.txt

The idea is to place the nineteen files (once decoded) in a common folder on the SE/30 hard drive. Upon double-clicking the first (.smi) file, the entire disk image will be mounted. The Installer can be found inside the thus mounted image.


In this case, the first obstacle would be to make the Network Access disk. Could you possibly ask a friend with an approx. 1992-1997 Macintosh to help you? After a StuffIt Expander decoding of the .bin, Disk Copy 4.2 (the Make A Copy button) is used to create a floppy from the contained disk image.

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_4.2.sea.bin

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_4.2.txt


Otherwise, it is possible to create the Network Access disk on an older Windows (95/98/XP) PC (with a floppy drive) via a disk-image program (such as WinImage), using a special technique. Could you perhaps locate someone with this hardware? If so, please post back for details.


Once a bootable Network Access floppy has been made, we can proceed with the system software installation.


How much RAM is installed right now? Hard disk drive size (MB)?

Jan 25, 2018 1:15 PM in response to Thomi9

Hi Thomas,


To begin with, would it be correct to assume that all three are working (with an external monitor for the Quadra 700 and the LC)?


Could you have a quick look at (the equivalent to) "Om Macintosh..." under the Apple menu? Which operating system version is installed on each computer? How much RAM?


Do you have the external transceiver (such as Apple Ethernet Twisted-Pair Transceiver, Model M0437) for the AAUI-15 port of the Quadra?

Jan 14, 2018 8:38 AM in response to Thomi9

I don't know if 7.5.5 is supported on your SE/30 but System 7.1 is lighter and uses less resources in CPU and ram.

I know your SE/30 is limited in hardware resources.

I use 7.1 on my Mac Performa 575 because it is a lighter OS that uses less resources.


You can email them and ask them what OS versions are supported on your Mac.



You can download from this website.


http://www.macfixer.com/vintage-software/

Jan 15, 2018 3:21 PM in response to Thomi9

Hej igen!


Buying a second Macintosh computer is a good idea. If possible, try to get one with Ethernet. A CD-ROM drive can be used to receive transfers of downloaded files from a more modern computer (on a CD-R disc; burn at a low speed and keep any .bin or .hqx encoding intact until on the semi-old Mac).


Also, a pre-1998 Macintosh has a MiniDIN-8 printer port, which can be used for LocalTalk networking (in its simplest form, merely a plain MiniDIN-8M to MiniDIN-8M Mac serial printer cable).


4 MB of RAM is an absolute minimum requirement for System 7.5.3, but it is wise to install more. A 40 MB hard drive can hold an installed 7.5.3 system, but with very little space for applications, so a larger internal drive and/or an external SCSI hard drive (alternatively, a SCSI Zip 100 drive) would make things easier.


Often, vintage Mac parts can be best found via online auction sites.

Jan 25, 2018 2:43 PM in response to Thomi9

OK.


Also, a normal Macintosh MiniDIN-8M to MiniDIN-8M printer cable could become quite useful (for LocalTalk-transfers between one of the three mentioned computers and the SE/30).


Another useful device may be an external USB floppy drive, for transfers on 1.44 MB floppies (formatted Mac or PC) from a more modern computer.


At least the Performa would be new enough to contain an appropriate operating system. There is no network card (the cover plate next to the modem; a card could be easily added). On the other hand, the machine has a built-in CD-ROM drive, so it would be possible to download files from the Internet using a more modern computer (Mac or PC), and then carry out a first transfer on CD-R to the Performa.


The LC appears to have a network card (thin Ethernet/thin coax/10Base-2) using a BNC connector.

Jan 15, 2018 9:00 AM in response to Jan Hedlund

Hi Jan,


Swedish by any chance?


Thank you kindly for sharing your knowledge!


Do you know if I can install 7.5.3 directly from 6.0.5 or do I have to make some steps in between?


I don't have much to work with except the SE/30 and a modern MacBook Pro. But since I am pretty determined to make my SE/30 hotter, I am prepared to invest in appropriate hardware to achieve it. Grateful for any tips on this!


In the end I would like it to have the best OS available, max RAM, internet ability and the best software. If you have any thoughts on this, I would appreciate much your input.


Thanks/Thomas från Trollhättan

Jan 15, 2018 2:18 PM in response to Jan Hedlund

Hej Jan!


Suddenly I am in the market for another vintage Mac... LOL! There's a Performa on Tradera that might do the trick. I'll be in touch if I manage to buy it.


My SE/30 has 4 Mb RAM and a 40 Mb disk drive. All standard I think.


I do not think there is any comms program installed. At least not that I can find. And there is certainly no modem. I plan for the future to equip it with an Asante Ethernet card to be able to connect to the internet.


Also in the long-term plan is more RAM (if I can find the pieces) and possibly a clean 32 bit ROM.


Would just love to see how far I can take this mint condition SE/30! If you have any tips in this regard, I'll be grateful to hear them. Also, if you know of any good suppliers in Sweden of vintage Mac parts!


I'll be in touch again when I have acquired a not so vintage Mac in order to create the necessary floppies.


Tack/Thomas

Jan 25, 2018 6:09 AM in response to Jan Hedlund

Hi Jan,


I now have first choice on either a Quadra 700 with AAUI-15 port, an LC with unknown capabilities and a Performa with built-in modem. See images. Which one do you think would be the best one for downloading software and making floppies? At home I have a fiber connection with LAN ports (router Technicolor TG389).


What should I chose? Grateful for your advise!


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Jan 26, 2018 2:08 PM in response to Thomi9

Power Macintosh 8100/100: Technical Specifications


https://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/0305815APM8100UG.pdf


Hej Thomas!


Yes, that machine would be OK for the purpose.


Check whether there is a web browser (probably an early version of Internet Explorer or Netscape) installed. RAM is limited, but you should be able to connect to plain http (not https) web sites for simple downloads. Also, is StuffIt Expander installed? With a transceiver attached to the AAUI-15 port, you could connect an RJ-45 cable to one of the LAN ports of a router. Set the control panel handling TCP/IP to use Ethernet and DHCP.

Feb 10, 2018 2:10 AM in response to Jan Hedlund

Hej Jan,


Will pickup the machine mentioned above next weekend and I will even get a tranceiver with it. So that will be fun.


On another note, I got my hands on several RAM and ROM cards the other day. Allegedly, they come from a maxed out SE/30. However, I am not capable of identifying them. Are you able to help me? Or are there any resources online that can help me? Photos below:

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Regards/Thomas

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