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MacBook Pro mid-2012 Very slow. Kernel_task is using 300%+ CPU

I recently got a new-to-me mid-2012 13” MacBook Pro. It has been slow since I got it. Seems to have a hard time doing the simplest of things. Apps are very slow to load, sometimes the cursor is slow to respond, as well as some lag when typing.


I installed a new 250gb SSD hard drive the other day and re-installed High Sierra. This seemed to only help in the slightest bit. Now it’s barely usable whereas before it was pretty much unusable.


I have a new hard drive cable in the mail, should be arriving tomorrow and I will install that as a soon as it gets here.


I also ran an EtreCheck report this evening to see what that would say. As mentioned, with the computer running so slow I wasn’t able to export the report but I took a few pictures of what looked like the important details.

It indicated that ‘kernel_task’ (which after I looked, seems to be the OS itself) is using 300%+ of the CPU. Now I guess that is why nothing else is working.


Now, what exactly is causing that CPU usage is lost on Me. There is nothing at all installed on the Mac, so I can only assume it’s some sort of hardware issue. Is it possible that the hard drive cable is faulty and is causing this issue? I’m hoping so, as that would be an easy fix. If not, does anyone have any ideas of what the problem could be? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Posted on Feb 27, 2018 7:09 PM

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Feb 27, 2018 7:56 PM in response to maestroscherzo

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Feb 28, 2018 4:46 AM in response to maestroscherzo

maestroscherzo wrote:


There is nothing at all installed on the Mac, so I can only assume it’s some sort of hardware issue.


That is correct. A defective hard disk drive cable is certainly among the possible causes.



Please readIf kernel_task is using a large percentage of your Mac CPU - Apple Support as well as the links within it.

A runaway kernel_task can be due to a number of factors, such as:


  • a failed or disconnected temperature sensor
  • cooling system inefficiency (an inoperative exhaust fan on Macs so equipped, possibly clogged with dust, including the heat sink)
  • a worn out, missing, or non-Apple (user-installed) battery on portable Macs
  • similar hardware-specific causes including internal hardware additions or modifications, external USB and other connected devices, or the driver software required to use them.


Each of those possible causes is equally important and requires its own investigation.

If you can find no other explanation for its behavior, an SMC Reset is justified: Reset the System Management Controller (SMC) on your Mac - Apple Support.

If all else fails Contact Support.

Mar 1, 2018 5:15 AM in response to maestroscherzo

As for having only Apple techs work on it, that would be great.


It would be, but they will absolutely, positively refuse to service a Mac that has had user-installed modifications. However, they will provide a diagnosis, perhaps at no charge. I strongly suspect they will conclude liquid damage. I also suspect the seller attempted to conceal that damage.


If so the repair will require replacement of practically every major component with the possible exception of the display assembly. It is not limited to the logic board. It will not be economically justified. If you want to fix it, the best option for repairing it yourself will be to source replacement parts from reputable vendors. Working on that model is microsurgery that even I do not perform on anyone else's Mac, unless they already wrote it off as a total loss.


I agree with Mr. etresoft's conclusions and recommendations: cut your losses... unless of course you are interested in repairing your Mac strictly for the learning experience, which will certainly be valuable.


If you need an operational Mac and want to save a few bucks, purchase a Mac from Apple's Refurbished and Clearance page. They are indistinguishable from new and carry the identical warranty and AppleCare eligibility as brand new ones. They just cost a lot less.


Just like repairing one, purchasing a used Mac is best left for very experienced Mac users. A good Mac in serviceable condition offered by a reputable seller who properly prepares it for sale (conditions that are very rarely met) fetches nearly as much as Apple charges for a refurbished one anyway.

Feb 28, 2018 2:45 PM in response to John Galt

Thank you for the reply. I installed the new Hard drive cable and while I was installing, I noticed that the fan was unplugged. I made sure it was free of dust and debris and everything and plugged it back in. (I had the solid state hard drive installed, as they installed with purchase, and I guess they didn’t notice/care that it wasn’t plugged in.

After everything was back together, I started it back up and noticed right away that before the Mac was even at the login screen that the fan was running at high speed.

So, the hard drive cable wasn’t the issue, nor was the fan being unplugged.

Now I’m starting to think that the Mac must think it’s severly overheating. I wasn’t really wanting to take out the motherboard, is that my only option at this point? Quite discouraged. Or is there some way to bypass this issue? I’m positive that it isn’t overheating. I just want to stop dumping money into it if it isn’t worth it.

Edit: I also did a SMC reset and that did not help either.

Thanks again.

Feb 28, 2018 3:05 PM in response to maestroscherzo

Hello maestroscherzo,

Can you explain in more detail exactly what hardware modifications you have done, or paid someone else do to?


Replacing the hard drive in one of these machines is just about the easiest thing you can do. There is absolutely NO reason to unplug the fan or any other component other than the hard drive. The components on the motherboard are extremely small and delicate.


Unfortunately, it sounds like your machine may have been irreparably damaged. Was this shop an authorized Apple Repair Centre? Apple, or an authorized Apple Repair Centre may be able to test the machine and repair it. But if they have to replace the motherboard, it won't be cheap.

Feb 28, 2018 3:10 PM in response to etresoft

Hello,


I had the original HDD replaced with a SSD. The only reason I didn’t install it myself is because the place that I purchased it did it with the purchase. It was not them that unplugged the fan, I know that because I now realize that I haven’t heard the fan running since I got the computer.

However, now the fan is running constantly, at high speed, as the computer seems to think that it’s overheating. I know for a fact it’s not, because it isn’t doing anything. Should I try to take out the motherboard and look at the heat sync? Are there other temperature sensors located in the Mac? Anyway to see if/which ones are causing this? Thank you for your reply.

Feb 28, 2018 3:43 PM in response to maestroscherzo

Now I’m starting to think that the Mac must think it’s severly overheating.


That's exactly what causes the runaway kernel_task. If they are going to be performed, hardware repairs or modifications must absolutely, positively be performed by knowledgeable Mac experts, and from what you describe sadly that wasn't the case.


Macs have many thermal sensors and all of them must be present and 100% operational. If they are not, its systems will default to a self-protection mode that includes throttling the CPU to intentionally limit its performance. At an extreme kernel_task will prevent it from doing much of anything else.


The solution is to fix defective hardware and use a SSD obtained from a manufacturer that unequivocally supports Macs. Many commonly available SSDs just don't work well, if at all, or may stop working upon some minor firmware update in the future.


If returning that Mac for a refund is an option, do it. As you wrote it's been slow since you got it. Given operational hardware no Mac should ever be slow.

Feb 28, 2018 5:16 PM in response to maestroscherzo

John Galt explained it very well. The fan running full blast is another symptom of this self protection mode.


If you are handy with such things, you could disassemble the machine using one of the many tear-down guides posted on the internet. Identify each port that should be connected and make sure it is.


However, this is very delicate. I replaced the keyboard on just such a machine about a month ago. Even my reading glasses weren't good enough for me to see the connector. I had to use my iPhone's super-zoom mode. Also, I had the OWC kit with all the right torx drivers and semisoft plastic spudgers.


It is very likely that one of those connectors is already broken. If so, you won't be able to fix it. When you reassemble it, the machine probably will not run at all anymore.


I still don't know the full history of this machine. Perhaps some previous owner had irreparably damaged the motherboard and unplugged the fan just to keep it quiet. Then they sold it to you to make it your problem instead.


I suggest you bit the bullet, cut your losses, and get a new machine.

Feb 28, 2018 7:46 PM in response to etresoft

I am not worried about the new SSD, I am not convinced that has anything to do with what’s going on, as this problem existed with the original HDD.


As for having only Apple techs work on it, that would be great. But if I had that kind of money, I would have bought a new machine. That being said, other than with a previous owner, the only thing I had done was the hard drive, and I re-did that myself today when I replaced the Hard Drive cable. I’m not afraid to get in there and take it apart, I don’t have much to lose at this point.


I actually just finished disassembling and re-assembling the machine. I took out the logic board and re applied thermal compound on the heat sync. I also double checked all the connections, everything appears to be good.


I disconnected the trackpad, as I read that there was a temp sensor in there and tried running it to see if that was the problem. Same symptoms were occurring when trackpad was unplugged.


I am now running the Apple Hardware Test to see if it will give me any more info, will post the results when it’s completed.


I do not think that the MacBook is overheating, I am pretty sure it just ‘thinks’ it is. Will the only option be to replace the whole logic board? Or is there a way to bypass this? I realize that if there is, I assume any sort of responsibility if something goes wrong. I am also a bit concerned that even if I replace the logic board that this issue will continue. Returning it is not an option. Thanks again for the replies.

Feb 28, 2018 10:43 PM in response to maestroscherzo

maestroscherzo wrote:


The code the hardware test gave is


4SNS/1/C0000008: TsOP—124

A bit of research is saying that it is the palm rest temp sensor. Any ideas where abouts that is? Thanks.


I understand it's integrated into the trackpad. Apparently previous liquid spills can damage the sensor.


http://www.powerbookmedic.com/MacBook-Pro-13-Unibody-Trackpad-p-17444.html

Feb 28, 2018 10:45 PM in response to etresoft

etresoft wrote:

Replacing the hard drive in one of these machines is just about the easiest thing you can do. There is absolutely NO reason to unplug the fan or any other component other than the hard drive. The components on the motherboard are extremely small and delicate.


Some recommendations seem to be to pull the battery connector for anything done under the hood.

Mar 1, 2018 4:39 AM in response to y_p_w

Yes, from what I’ve read it seems to be in the trackpad. I guess that is the next thing to try. I was having a hard time confirming it’s location. Some said it was attached to the hard drive cable, near the sleep light indicator. And I’ve also read it to be near the Hard drive cable on the motherboard itself.


And yes, with any work done on the computer, the first thing I’ve done is to disconnect the battery.

Mar 1, 2018 6:59 AM in response to John Galt

The OP seems to think it’s limited to the trackpad, which is a lot easier of a DIY job than anything that requires removing the logic board. I think you might be overstating the difficulty in buying a used Mac. I would have asked to see it run AHT though. A used mid-2012 might sell for $400 and I think is a very good value.

Mar 1, 2018 8:25 AM in response to y_p_w

In regards to the difficulty of the tasks, at this point, I am pretty much willing to try anything. Having already disassembled the whole machine, including taking out and reinstalling the logic board, I know I could switch out the trackpad in about 20 minutes. The new trackpad should arrive tomorrow and I am hoping that it solves this problem. At this point, as the AHT is not indicating any additional/other errors, I am a bit more confident in this than my other attempts thus far.


As for the value, I purchased this one at a steal of a deal, and I knew that I may be encountering a problem or two. In my area, used these models of MacBooks are rarely seen for sale under $500.00, so in terms of value, even now I am still quite under that total.


Although I may disagree that I should cut my losses and/or not work on it myself, I do appreciate you all taking the time to reply and give me some ideas on where to go with this. I feel like I'm actually getting somewhere with it now. I will update and let you know how it goes once I install the new trackpad after it arrives. Thanks again!

Mar 1, 2018 10:27 AM in response to maestroscherzo

maestroscherzo wrote:


In regards to the difficulty of the tasks, at this point, I am pretty much willing to try anything. Having already disassembled the whole machine, including taking out and reinstalling the logic board, I know I could switch out the trackpad in about 20 minutes. The new trackpad should arrive tomorrow and I am hoping that it solves this problem. At this point, as the AHT is not indicating any additional/other errors, I am a bit more confident in this than my other attempts thus far.


As for the value, I purchased this one at a steal of a deal, and I knew that I may be encountering a problem or two. In my area, used these models of MacBooks are rarely seen for sale under $500.00, so in terms of value, even now I am still quite under that total.


Although I may disagree that I should cut my losses and/or not work on it myself, I do appreciate you all taking the time to reply and give me some ideas on where to go with this. I feel like I'm actually getting somewhere with it now. I will update and let you know how it goes once I install the new trackpad after it arrives. Thanks again!


I personally find the 13" mid-2012 MBP (which I bought new in 2015) to be one of the more desirable models because it's easier to tinker with. The new ones are cool and everything, but there's something to be said for easy to replace memory and drive, along with the optical drive and multiple connections. The new machines don't even perform that much better because there really hasn't been that much of an advance in processor technology. There are also a lot of them with the last one sold new in 2016, so Apple will still have hardware support even though they might not help you out if you've taken apart more than just the drive and memory. There are also a lot of them out there, so salvage parts should be easy to come by for a while.


I personally would feel uncomfortably taking apart the logic board, but a trackpad replacement seems relatively straightforward. Let us know how it turns out.

MacBook Pro mid-2012 Very slow. Kernel_task is using 300%+ CPU

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