Mac OS Server (that bad?)

That's the best response I could have heard. I actually meant NFS rather than DFS but you actually caught that. I've heard of and seen the files in the innards of Mac saying this or that is being depreciated. I wanted to get away from SMB/CIFS but you can't with AFPS drives and sharing..... SMB goes back to Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with minor adjustments over the years.

But why get rid of solid Linux/UNIX features? I've had a lot of fun poking around and one time killing this laptop messing with DEFAULT/Local plists... Don't do it! Something's there that wipes all accounts out. I guess if the permissions are changed or you change primary group. Learned a lot about recovery methods so no problem for a person known to break things.

This LDAP system is a curiosity as is the PKI (in all flavors; Certificate Manager, SSH, OpenVPN, OpenSSL, and the protocols and standards. NFS has been a question because the daemon is running but guidelines are all over the place and it does work I just have to get the automount files correct. But NFS seems to be going away as well as everything associated with /etc.......

I thought that different Open Source UNIX flavors had migrated. They say Darwin, but it and MacOS/NeXT (your XNU to be precise) go back to OpenBSD if my memory serves me right. They say the Darwin community has contributed a lot as an OpenSource vehicle to run under that BSD license.

I would like to know the direction of the foundation under Apple MacOS, and I know a lot of others would. So much effort by Apple to integrate into Microsoft technologies.... Their Active Directory is a kludge running on their previous groups, domains and tools. Just another layer, like everything else. Why Novell's Directory didn't go far: too soon I would assume. X.500, X.400 and LDAP too are fairly broad and complex. I know way too much of that Microsoft system and "it's not all that and a bag of chips," far from it.

But now I know why people are saying things are breaking..... It really is with the changes. I was hoping to get some server-type tools up on a laptop (they're mostly there in the directories).

In the end, and what I hear.... Just use Linux or God help us "Microsoft Servers" and just use Macs as clients.

Well, fine Apple.

Chris Augustine

Breaker of Things

MCSE+I, MCNE, CCNP & Programmer

MrHoffman,

I've been burnt out for over 10 years and I am coming back up to speed on a lot of things. CIFS was a IETF draft standard ; but Microsoft has been improving the protocol (server, WAN and security changes it looks). Much has happened in 10 years. Heck I see Javascript everywhere and all this fingerprinting.... IPv6 has been a joy to watch as I never thought I'd be implemented back in 1999 at Cisco. I opened Wireshark for the first time in 8 years and darn that thing is as professional as any $1000 software package back then. Looking at the protocols it's a different world. DNSmasq, Bonjour (almost a multicast NetBeui implementation: will Apple need it's own WINS server?). The world has changed. Java taking a backseat but C/C++ strong as ever and a heck of a lot cheaper. Object oriented programming in Javascript: that book I have is 5 inches thick in what was a scripting language.

But as to SMB, that protocol is controlled by Microsoft and held under copyright (at least the extensions as of late), right? Can Microsoft charge royalties to say Apple if it wanted?

Has Apple seceded the server business in some sort of deal? Are we all a happy family now? This is just weird to me....

I was wrong that it was originally developed by Microsoft, but by IBM. Does no one argue about copyrights and patents in IT anymore? (Like they use to with UNIX, and those were bitter....?).

I had to do a graduate paper on X.500 back in 1992. How the heck, how can you describe something as complex out of the ISO when you're using gopher and had never heard of web browsing and barely the Internet, as it was private?

But as I was searching it looks like ArchLinux seems very popular and it's closely followed by Debian (Ubunto down a-ways). The reason I say this is to ask someone if ArchLinux would be a good system to bang on because Apple is going in another direction. Something to act as a back-end to Apple's client side? Fair?

Chris Augustine

Thanks for the input. Yes times are completely different: almost 100% different.

NFS from the UNIX side, why the distancing from it? I would think NFS would be good for connecting to UNIX(like) clients and Servers. I assume it's probably the security, correct? I don't mind SMB but it's been the doorway for so many viruses through port 445. I've battled enough malware.... But, it is probably a necessary evil, I will also assume? I know MS got encryption on the wire a while back so I'll assume SMB got the "whole works" not just a tunnel.

As for Linux, I just wanted something to bang around on. I thought there was a complete BSD system on a XNU kernel under every Mac and I was happy to learn them both and thought it genius..... I did get upset the other day by getting a confirmation as to what I've seen. I know where they're going and I'll shut up. Every upgrade is more than you really know, say OpenSSL which was replaced as are other things going on. Part security part slow movement.

SINCE, this board is the only one with intelligence, can someone through this to someone that really knows the iCloud. Trust me, there is a 2.5GB POS I can't delete, move or even figure out what it is? I've shut down all three devices, and completely disabled the Cloud on all devices. I've used special commands to see the super secret file system in there.... Just a bunch of directories.... There are around 100 photos that WILL NOT GO AWAY nor can they be deleted until say 30 days (Just In Case), but that maybe 20 MB, and I bet they still are there if I got back on. My AppleID has never changed; but didn't Apple use a different security system say 5 years ago? I just need this forwarded. iTunes people think me crazy, and maybe I am????

Chris ****

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Peter,

Yes, I agree. They are trying to make MacOS safe for those of us who would explore, to minimize issues from people playing in the past. A Profile / Client manager is what I see, too. A peer to peer SMB client too. If NFS is needed it's been covered in camo. Simple is better, Zero Config and preventing user error rule the day. MacOS wants to become iOS, in a sense. Server, no. It already was, but. There is UNIX under the hood (BSD, Open-BSD and Darwin if you read the foot notes on the man pages). Sure it has a fancy kernel and Objective-C frameworks. But why would I want to code (or learn) Apple? It's not a platform to learn because it's changing with no clear direction. If you think you know something, a security upgrade will take away that functionality later. And who knows if you are doing the correct thing (that would be in UNIX LINUX) because that functionality may not be there. You can't be sure and this makes it much harder to learn. A stable framework supports a house...... A clear overall strategy invokes confidence with lower level acceptance and cooperating strategies following. You get developer / admin buy-in.

Chris

Well if I'm going to be silenced, I can go to where there is freedom!