iMessage status stuck offline & conversation out-of-sequence

Two issues with iMessage on MacOS High Sierra 10.13.3. They may be related. First is that iMessage conversations on MacOS appear out-of-sequence. In other words, replies from someone displays prior to my initial message to them. On my iPhone, the conversation displays correctly. For example:


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On my iPhone, text messaging forwarding is turned on. The feature works as intended - no problem.


Second issue is that on MacOS, iMessage right-click shows "My Status:" as "Offline" and you can't change it. If you select any other choice (Invisible, Available, Away) it will remain "Offline." Signing out of my Apple ID within iMessage Preferences and then signing back in has no effect - still stuck on "Offline."


Regarding both issues - I've followed all Apple suggestions for these problems. I am logged into the same Apple ID on both MacOS and iOS. "Enable this Account" is checked in MacOS iMessage preferences. "You can be reached for messages at:" items are all selected and consistent between MacOS and iOS.

MacBook Air, macOS High Sierra (10.13.3)

Posted on Mar 6, 2018 11:29 AM

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Posted on Mar 8, 2018 1:08 PM

HI,


Messages was born out of the iChat App

iChat used Buddy Lists and these could have individual Statuses set.


One Buddy List remains but only if you have a Jabber account in High Sierra.

The most common is GoolgeTalk or Hangout from Google as Google run a Jabber server.

If you have not set up a Jabber account in Messages then the Status seen with the right click or in the Messages > Menu > Status will read Off Line.


The iMessages account has not Status.

It is either Connected or it is not.


It makes not difference which ID or iPhone number is the "Start New Conversations From" ID

I have the Apple ID set on my Mac and the iPhone Number set on my iPhone.

It only applies when you use the New Message option.

All other Connection use the ID that was last addressed - that is to say if some Addressed you as the iPhone Number then the reply or next outgoing iMessages will be from the iPhone Number.


Prior to High Sierra the out of sequence messages was normally down to time issues.

Realistically you Mac needs to be using Internet Time set in System Preferences > Date and Time and the nearest time server to you.

You also need to be set in the right Time Zone.


If your routing device also uses a Time Server then this should be the same as the Mac one.


However depending on the age of your computer, the amount of Apps open and how they impinge on Processor time you may find that your computer itself is not keeping up.


IF you mouse over individual iMessages you can see the time linked to them.

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As you can see my reply in this pic is timed down to the second.


Sometimes a NVRAM reset can help How to reset NVRAM on your Mac - Apple Support as this is somewhat tied to the System Preferences and can be considered low level maintenance.


Having said all that the issue does seem to be reported more in High Sierra so it is likely that some other change is the cause of the issue.

Full sync between all devices using iOS 11 and High Sierra is coming. (it was promised at the start of High Sierra ans we are still waiting)

However this will mean changes to the servers and it might be this work that is causing the issue.



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9:08 pm Thursday; March 8, 2018


 iMac 2.5Ghz i5 2011 (Sierra)
 G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
 MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
 Mac OS X (10.6.8),
 iPhone 6 iOS 11.x and an iPad (2)

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Mar 8, 2018 1:08 PM in response to Destin Doug

HI,


Messages was born out of the iChat App

iChat used Buddy Lists and these could have individual Statuses set.


One Buddy List remains but only if you have a Jabber account in High Sierra.

The most common is GoolgeTalk or Hangout from Google as Google run a Jabber server.

If you have not set up a Jabber account in Messages then the Status seen with the right click or in the Messages > Menu > Status will read Off Line.


The iMessages account has not Status.

It is either Connected or it is not.


It makes not difference which ID or iPhone number is the "Start New Conversations From" ID

I have the Apple ID set on my Mac and the iPhone Number set on my iPhone.

It only applies when you use the New Message option.

All other Connection use the ID that was last addressed - that is to say if some Addressed you as the iPhone Number then the reply or next outgoing iMessages will be from the iPhone Number.


Prior to High Sierra the out of sequence messages was normally down to time issues.

Realistically you Mac needs to be using Internet Time set in System Preferences > Date and Time and the nearest time server to you.

You also need to be set in the right Time Zone.


If your routing device also uses a Time Server then this should be the same as the Mac one.


However depending on the age of your computer, the amount of Apps open and how they impinge on Processor time you may find that your computer itself is not keeping up.


IF you mouse over individual iMessages you can see the time linked to them.

User uploaded file

As you can see my reply in this pic is timed down to the second.


Sometimes a NVRAM reset can help How to reset NVRAM on your Mac - Apple Support as this is somewhat tied to the System Preferences and can be considered low level maintenance.


Having said all that the issue does seem to be reported more in High Sierra so it is likely that some other change is the cause of the issue.

Full sync between all devices using iOS 11 and High Sierra is coming. (it was promised at the start of High Sierra ans we are still waiting)

However this will mean changes to the servers and it might be this work that is causing the issue.



User uploaded file

9:08 pm Thursday; March 8, 2018


 iMac 2.5Ghz i5 2011 (Sierra)
 G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
 MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
 Mac OS X (10.6.8),
 iPhone 6 iOS 11.x and an iPad (2)

Mar 8, 2018 1:48 PM in response to Ralph-Johns-UK

Thank you for the response. The "offline" was more of an observation - doesn't really seem to be affecting anything. And that is correct, I do not have a Jabber account set up in messages.


Not having any time zone issues - "set date/time automatically" is checked and the server is the Apple US/Americas server (time.apple.com.) Everything else is using time correctly (Outlook, etc.) so I did not try the NVRAM reset.


I checked date/time stamps on the iMessages and the result was interesting:


3/6/18 12:57:46 PM

Yea rainy


3/6/18 1:03:18 PM

Looks like you are having some pretty good storms...


Since "Text Message Forwarding" is enabled on my iPhone, it looks like either a syncing problem (since you said "full sync" hasn't happened yet) or there is some delay between sending the message and when it's forwarded or received. Oddly enough, my MacBook Air, my iPhone and the other party's iPhone are all using iMessage. So you'd think the sync would be easy.

Mar 9, 2018 11:50 AM in response to Destin Doug

Hi,


As your outgoing balloon is blue you were not using SMS Forwarding.

You can't tell with the incoming ones as they are all the same grey.

However if it were an outgoing SMS Message then issue would be with the phone carrier service and the way the SMS message was being passed on towards your Contact.


Messages has "Sync" since the Version 8 on the Mac (the first one as there are two versions 8s)

Effectively all this is means is the "Sync" is "Display on All Registered devices".

Deleting an iMessages on one device does not delete it on another as this is what people are waiting for - the same sort of Sync that an IMAP email account gives you.


The nearly 6 minute delay does seem extreme.

I was expecting a few seconds.


That appears to be more than a simple timing issue.


Do you see any spinning wheels or anything else that might suggest the app or the OS is doing "too much" at that point ?




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7:50 pm Friday; March 9, 2018


 iMac 2.5Ghz i5 2011 (Sierra)
 G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
 MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
 Mac OS X (10.6.8),
 iPhone 6 iOS 11.x and an iPad (2)

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