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Question: when will apple allow us to power off iphone with a passcode from lockscreen. being able to turn it off while locked defeats find iphone and invites theives.

Wish I could set my phone up to power off only with a passcode. The way it’s currently set up find my iPhone serves no purpose. All a thief has to do is power off phone. I’ve placed my phone down and walked away realizing moments later. Usually I ping with my watch or go to where I know I placed it. Glad for the honest people I keep in my company. But if ever a shady individual saw my phone before I ping it they could just turn it off. Then my watch and find iPhone is useless. A passcode to power off would be ideal. I’m guessing they will never do this because retrieving your iPhone cuts into their bottom line when you don’t have to shell out $1k for another phone. Well , those of you that would actually keep buying these things. Hopefully we don’t get a ‘battery’ type response.


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Mar 9, 2018 8:50 PM in response to Veteranmaster In response to Veteranmaster

Search for this topic. It has been discussed many times.


Requiring a pass code to power off will not reduce thefts one iota.


Thieves don't need to power off your device once stolen. Remove the simple gets the same result. A Faraday bag too.


It's a bad idea.

Mar 9, 2018 8:50 PM

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Mar 10, 2018 6:43 AM in response to LACAllen In response to LACAllen

Well I’m on a network that doesn’t use SIM cards (Sprint). And thinking that it won’t be a deterrent, makes me think it’ll hurt your business of stealing phones. There are tons of other deterrents that could be used as well (the phone has an accelerometer and could be set to alarm if moved). The cell phone seems to have surpassed wallets as an important item. I know lots of people (I am not one) that store all there cc’s and other information on their phone and only carry their drivers license, keys, some cash, and phone. And why is it a bad idea? Is it because you’d have take an extra 2-3 seconds to oust in a passcode? Convenience may be to a fault at times. As you’ve said it’s been discussed many times, so why not give the consumer what they want. In my opinion they don’t care much about theft or lost. Same as they don’t care about testing updates or batteries. No solid products w/o Mr. Jobs hands on. None.

Mar 10, 2018 6:43 AM

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Mar 10, 2018 6:43 AM in response to Veteranmaster In response to Veteranmaster

One of the problems with requiring a passcode to turn off your phone is what happens when you forget that code, you cannot turn your phone off and your battery will die if you can’t charge your phone. Having a strong passcode or two factor authentication will prevent any thief from accessing your information if your phone is ever lost.

Mar 10, 2018 6:43 AM

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Mar 10, 2018 6:48 AM in response to kb1951 In response to kb1951

Your telling me that before fingerprint and facial recognition, there must have been tons of people locked out of their phones. Who forgets a passcode? And if so that’s what using another device (similar to how to use find iPhone) would do to help reset passcode. And I’m also guessing people locked out of their own homes forgetting the alarm code. Your speaking of a hypothetical ‘if someone forgot their passcode’. Please tell me the last time you know someone who forgot their phone passcode? The phone they use everyday! I’ve found old phones of mine in my garage and take a while sometimes figuring out the code. But a phone you use everyday?!?! Sorry not buying that excuse.

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Mar 10, 2018 7:11 AM in response to Veteranmaster In response to Veteranmaster

@kb1951

Sorry but I had to log back in because this is unfathomable. I’m laughing so hard. In your mind the perfect storm if you will. Let’s draw out your scenario...


Your barttery is at 1% and the power off is imminent. you go to turn your phone off and... you forgot your passcode!


Seriously!!!


Why not put it in low power mode at 10%? Why not shut it off at 5%? If your going to say turn the phone off that’s about to die so save 1-2% for emergency, did the emergency involve you hitting your head and forgetting your passcode? Help me understand?

Mar 10, 2018 7:11 AM

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Mar 10, 2018 7:05 AM in response to Veteranmaster In response to Veteranmaster

Before there was touch ID and Face ID people had to remember their code but after those features, many people forget the code they set up because they never use it. Therefore, it is not a good idea to use the passcode to turn off your device unless it is older and does not contain those security features. If you think that is ridiculous that is fine, you are entitled to think what you want.

Mar 10, 2018 7:05 AM

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Mar 10, 2018 7:15 AM in response to Veteranmaster In response to Veteranmaster

There are frequent posts to this site from people who have forgotten their passcode to enter their phone that they supposedly use every day. So, yes, people do forget a passcode they use. I agree that I can’t imagine how it happens, but it does.

There is even a help article from Apple for when you forgot your passcode. See here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204306

Mar 10, 2018 7:15 AM

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Mar 10, 2018 12:22 PM in response to Veteranmaster In response to Veteranmaster

Your speaking of a hypothetical ‘if someone forgot their passcode’.

This is both laughable and extremely uninformed. You clearly have never been in any tech support role. Users are capable of forgetting their passcode/password when they enter it the 2nd time to confirm a change.


Please tell me the last time you know someone who forgot their phone passcode?

1 minute ago somewhere in the world.

Mar 10, 2018 12:22 PM

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Mar 10, 2018 12:30 PM in response to Veteranmaster In response to Veteranmaster

The way it’s currently set up find my iPhone serves no purpose.


The feature is not Retrieve My Phone. It's designed to find a misplaced phone, not guide you down the the docks to wrestle it back from a thief.


No technology in the world can prevent theft. Find My Phone in addition to it's partner Activation Lock reduces the value of a lost/stolen phone to zero. Thieves know this and iPhone theft is down as a result. Their market for a locked phone is now naive, gullible or greedy people.


Insurance is what gets you back the investment in your device.



I’m guessing they will never do this because retrieving your iPhone cuts into their bottom line when you don’t have to shell out $1k for another phone.

Name any other manufacturer of any other thing where you could not make this same lame argument.

Mar 10, 2018 12:30 PM

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Mar 10, 2018 12:35 PM in response to Veteranmaster In response to Veteranmaster

Same as they don’t care about testing updates or batteries.

Right.


There is no defective battery issue. Batteries wear out. Apple's battery issues right now are not about defective batteries or a defective update.


What they did in iOS 10 re: older battery performance was intentional and in hindsight, poorly communicated.


The batteries now being replaced at a discount were not defective or under tested. They were old and depleted.

Mar 10, 2018 12:35 PM

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Question: when will apple allow us to power off iphone with a passcode from lockscreen. being able to turn it off while locked defeats find iphone and invites theives.