Reclaiming lost space on an SSD

Hi all,


I have a 1 TB Samsung 850 EVO SSD and I don't have TRIM enabled. It seems that there is a lot of free space available but is inaccessible because the system thinks it is being used. Please see attached image. It doesn't seem right that 40% of the drive is occupied by the system. CleanMyMac 3 only found about 2gb of the system it can free up. Does anyone have any ideas how I can free up more of the system space? Or at least to troubleshoot if this is an issue with the SSD not properly freeing updeleted space?


Thank you all in advance.


I'm running: macOS 10.13.3

MacBook Pro 8,2

16gb ram

2.2 GHz Intel Core i7

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MacBook Pro, macOS High Sierra (10.13.3), MacBook Pro 8,2

Posted on Apr 1, 2018 10:05 AM

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Posted on Apr 1, 2018 11:02 AM

There is an enormous amount of OLD and unreliable information on the Internet, and possibly right here on this forum, about TRIM. The particular text you mentioned raises a semi-valid point about previously-deleted Blocks and TRIM.


There is a straightforward solution:


Once you enable TRIM, every deleted block released in the future will be called out to the drive controller as it is deleted. This setting is stored on the MacOS Boot Drive. To eliminate previously-deleted blocks after enabling TRIM, Restart in Safe Mode. Safe Mode does a pass of disk Utility repair Disk/first aid, while honoring the setting of TRIM. Near the end of its process, the log says "TRIM-ing unused blocks" and the test pauses, possibly for a minute or more while they are removed.

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Apr 1, 2018 11:02 AM in response to rezak1

There is an enormous amount of OLD and unreliable information on the Internet, and possibly right here on this forum, about TRIM. The particular text you mentioned raises a semi-valid point about previously-deleted Blocks and TRIM.


There is a straightforward solution:


Once you enable TRIM, every deleted block released in the future will be called out to the drive controller as it is deleted. This setting is stored on the MacOS Boot Drive. To eliminate previously-deleted blocks after enabling TRIM, Restart in Safe Mode. Safe Mode does a pass of disk Utility repair Disk/first aid, while honoring the setting of TRIM. Near the end of its process, the log says "TRIM-ing unused blocks" and the test pauses, possibly for a minute or more while they are removed.

Apr 1, 2018 11:47 AM in response to rezak1

The fundamental issue with very high reported usage in any particular area is that these estimates are based on the Spotlight Index. Spotlight does not always reflect deletions and re-installs, so its information can tends to "drift" and the estimates get further off courses more time elapses.


To get them more accurate, re-create the spotlight index:


How to rebuild the Spotlight index on your Mac - Apple Support

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Apr 1, 2018 12:01 PM in response to rezak1

Want to know about Time machine snapshots? read THESE articles:


About Time Machine local snapshots - Apple Support

.Pondini's Time Machine - Frequently Asked Questions -- 30. What are Local Snapshots?


And to make sure that you have storage space when you need it, snapshots are stored only on disks that have plenty of free space. When storage space gets low, additional snapshots are deleted, starting with the oldest. That's why Finder and Get Info windows don't include local snapshots in their calculations of the storage space available on a disk.

If you are running High Sierra using Apple File System (APFS) , these snapshots take up incredibly small amounts of space.They do not contain duplicate copies of the files at all, just a whole lot of pointers to files.

Apr 1, 2018 11:09 AM in response to rezak1

Thank you for the info. What is your issue with CleanMyMac? I just want to make sure there isn't a huge issue I'm unaware of.

We see numerous posts here at the ASC with folks having issues with their Macs around using cleaner apps, like CleanMyMac. In almost all cases, the recommendation is to completely remove these apps as they are not necessary. The macOS operating system is very efficient at keeping things "tidy" and we find that these third-party apps cause more issues than they resolve ... especially with getting rid of them.

Apr 1, 2018 11:11 AM in response to rezak1

CleanMyMac is unrelenting GARBAGE.


• Your Mac does not accumulate anything that needs to be cleaned, and if it did, Apple would ship a cleaner App in the box.

• Deleting the caches most of these so-called cleaners target will make your Mac slower, not faster.

• This specific package has a reputation for tossing out important parts of MacOS while it does its supposed "cleaning". Readers who used it have been forced to Re-install MacOS for no other reason than it has been "cleaned" with CleanMyMac.

Apr 1, 2018 10:40 AM in response to Tesserax

Thank you for the info. What is your issue with CleanMyMac? I just want to make sure there isn't a huge issue I'm unaware of.


Thank you for those links and I used Purge but again, the system occupies the bulk of the drive's storage space.


As for TRIM, I read in another post "A key idea is that the space is flagged as available when the deletion takes place which means TRIM must be running continuously to get full benefit and any such benefit is lost for deletions prior to TRIM being enabled. So there will be no sudden magical fix for a drive slowing down because the SSD controller’s Garbage Collection has previously had to deal with “secretly” deleted files which are still taking up space."


Going forward, I will enable TRIM. My problem is that I need to find away to deal with the files that have already been deleted to reclaim that space. I hope this is clear

Apr 1, 2018 11:49 AM in response to rezak1

Do not intervene with ANYTHING to do with Time Machine, or you face losing data and losing Trust in your backup. If too many temporary backup files are accumulating, it is time to connect your backup drive and let the backup run, NOT time to start trying to delete things.


YouTube contains huge amounts of Wasted Space used to record things that should never be conveyed with Video, using horrible cinema techniques, consisting of marginal or wrong information. But worst of all is that there is no adjudication of what is good and what is rubbish. You should be far, far more skeptical of the media you consume.


That Video appear to have been made by someone with no special knowledge of the subject, and no special skills in making Videos. It is full of incorrect assumptions and guesses. Do not do ANYTHING that guy suggests -- his information is WRONG and his solutions are NONSENSE.


If I make an outrageously wrong statement here, there will be a Pig Pile on top of me before this time tomorrow. At least on these forums, Nonsense does not stand.

Apr 1, 2018 11:47 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I just don't understand why these are stored on my system. I have plenty of space on an external drive.


What do you mean 'If too many temporary backup files are accumulating, it is time to connect your backup drive and let the backup run, NOT time to start trying to delete things.' I did two backups this morning and it created two backup snapshots, in addition to the ones from previous backups. Isn't it safe to delete the really old backups if I'm sure I won't restore those?

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