Help -Sample Rate - Files play slow and wrong ptich at their native setting

I have inherited a huge analog transfer project in which the tapes were transferred at another (analog/pro tools) studio. Although the files were requested and provided at 44.1, it is clear that an error occurred somewhere.

If I load the files in a 44.1 Logic session, they are clearly playing back slow tempo and incorrect pitch- ) about 8% on both. I checked the orginal files in the pro tools session - defintely 44.1 audio files.

My guess is the pro tools transfer session had the session bit depth set to 44.1 but the ext.clock or hardware still set to 48 somewhere in the chain. I have not been able to reach the engineer and this is a time sensitive project...

So... if I change Audio>Samle Rate> to 48k they seem to play back fine - at least from a pitch perspective - (even with my clock set to 44 or 48).

Since i have worked on pro tools for 10 years, -which does not allow your to change the song sample rate mid-stream - and I have never used this feature (the real-time sample rate convert) in Logic before, I have some questions

1. is it really ok to play back 44.1 files (the audio files themselves) at 48k (project/song sampling rate) without converting actually SRCing the audio in logic

2. Is there another solution I may be overlooking? Sample rate converting the audio files on import or with Factory has been suggested but that of course mantains the incorrect time and pitch of the original files. Thanks.

James .:.•.: www.embrionic.tv :.•.:.


Mac OS X (10.4.4) G5 DP 2.3, LP 7.2, i88x, Indigo, K2661

Posted on Jan 28, 2007 9:06 PM

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Jan 28, 2007 10:49 PM in response to embrionic

I've been trying to come up with a good answer for a half hour. I messed around trying to recreate your scenario and provide a solution. The real time conversion is baffling.

I think you might as well just work at 44.1, knowing that some voodoo conversion is going on, and eventually you'll export your tracks. I'm assuming that they will export at the session's native 44.1, and actually BE 44.1 files, AND be pitched correctly , but with the conversion permanently written to the file.

Better still, try exporting a track at 44.1k right away and see if that makes it kosher.

Jan 28, 2007 11:05 PM in response to embrionic

Sounds to me that your best bet is to use a utility like SoundHack ( http://music.ucsd.edu/~tre/soft//SH893.hqx) to change the audio file headers. What you want is to flag the files as 48k, not do any sample rate conversion--they should play back natively at 48k. The only SRC you'll need to do is if you actually do want the files to end up as 44.1k at some point. (In your case, I don't think Logic is converting the sample rate in real time, by the way--what it's doing is playing back the files with a clock setting of 48k, which only sounds right because they've been mis-labeled.)

Either way, you should fix the file headers now, I think. And even if your final product needs to be 44.1k, since your files are quite clearly at 48k now, I'd do all the necessary editing and processing at 48k, then convert to 44.1k as the final step. And until the SRC in Logic is improved (Apple ?), maybe use some other app to convert to 44.1k in the end. Peak gets high marks--not sure what else out there sounds good and doesn't cost a mint.

Best luck!

James
james@nashvillain.com

Jan 29, 2007 7:40 AM in response to jnashguitar

ah i will try soundhack and report back later today. Curious... Will changing the headers casue the files to play back at the correct pitch and speed or will it just redesignate the files as 48k and they still play back at the lower pitch and speed? (Guess I'll find out).

james
black egg studios
boston

James .:.•.: www.embrionic.tv :.•.:.


Mac OS X (10.4.4) G5 DP 2.3, LP 7.2, i88x, Indigo, K2661

Jan 29, 2007 9:52 AM in response to embrionic

Changing the headers to 48k will make the files internally consistent, so Logic will, by default, play them back correctly. With Logic, it's always possible to play files back at the wrong pitch and speed, since the sample rate of the project (Audio-->Sample Rate) only affects playback and importing.

The goal is to keep everything consistent (sample rate of project matches sample rate of audio files which matches sample rate of any external clocks, etc.) And that's impossible when your file headers are wrong.

Set the file headers to 48k, create a new project with Audio-->Sample Rate set to 48k, then import your files. Logic won't need to do any SRC, and the files should play back correctly.

James
james@nashvillain.com

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