Can't recover, can't reinstall; now what?

Using an imac II with i5 2.66GHz and 500 GB SSD. An update around June 23 broke the restart/shutdown process and the mac could only be shut down by holding the power button. Using shift-option-command-R, I tried to recover from time machine, but the mac won't boot after that. I tried to reinstall from the net, but I get some kind of "Preboot volume" error, apparently because the new file system broke the SSD. I tried deleting the volume, but it will only allow me to add it back as an AFSD (or whatever it's called) volume.


I'd like to go back to Sierra, but I can't recover a pre-High Sierra setup from time machine. I read about booting from a usb copy of Sierra, but how can I get that if my mac doesn't work? The original disks, which I think may have been Leopard, are long gone. Please, can someone explain how to reinstall Sierra on this machine? Thanks.

iMac, macOS High Sierra (10.13.4)

Posted on Jun 25, 2018 7:39 AM

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Jun 25, 2018 6:34 PM in response to TimothyBuchanan

You can't erase the drive you are booted into. When you boot into Recovery, it is from a partition on the drive. You must use Internet Recovery to erase the drive. Restart holding down cmd-opt-R. You should see a spinning globe instead of an apple symbol. It will boot off of Apple's servers.


You can use Disk Utility in IR to erase the drive as Mac OS Extended. Then try to reinstall (from within IR).

Jun 25, 2018 7:33 PM in response to Barney-15E

Cmd is the one with apple and butterfly next to the spacebar, and option next to that, yes? I hold those keys down along with the r key, press the power button and get the apple with progress bar. I have also tried cmd r. No combination gives me a spinning globe. I know the mac can connect to the net because I can browse with the safari that appears in recovery. I can get a terminal window. Are there any terminal commands or other combined keys that might get me to internet recovery?

Jun 25, 2018 4:47 PM in response to TimothyBuchanan

Hi Timothy,


When your iMac upgraded to macOS High Sierra, the existing Mac OS Extended Journaled partition (your startup disk) on your Mac was converted into an APFS container, containing the following volumes:


  • Preboot (used for FileVault pre-boot authentication)
  • Macintosh HD (your actual startup disk with all of your data)
  • Recovery (where Recovery Mode gets stored for each volume)
  • VM (storage for sleep images)


The reason why you're getting the APFS volume error is because macOS Sierra doesn't support starting up from an APFS volume. It must start up from a partition formatted as Mac OS Extended (Journaled) or its variants. In order to install macOS Sierra or an older version of OS X onto your Mac, you must reformat the entire APFS container. To install macOS Sierra onto your Mac:


  1. Boot the version of Recovery Mode that shipped with your Mac over the Internet, or image a copy of macOS Sierra's Recovery Mode on a USB flash drive and boot that instead.
    1. To boot the version of Recovery Mode that shipped with your Mac over the Internet, hold down Shift-Option-Command-R as you turn on or restart your Mac. Release the keys when a spinning globe appears, or when you're prompted to connect to a Wi-Fi network.
    2. If you have another working Mac, and wish to image a copy of macOS Sierra's Recovery Mode onto a USB flash drive, the instructions for doing so can be found here. You can open the hidden App Store page for macOS Sierra by clicking here. Once you've created your bootable installer, connect it to your iMac and hold down the Option key as you turn on or restart your Mac. Release it when you're given the option to select a startup disk to boot. Use the arrow keys to select Install macOS Sierra, then hit Enter (Return). Do not disconnect your bootable installer until your iMac has shut down or successfully been repaired.
  2. When the main Utilities window appears, select Disk Utility and continue. Eject your backup drive before proceeding to ensure it can't be erased by accident.
  3. Click on View, then select Show All Devices. Select the top level of your internal drive, and click Erase. Format as follows:
    1. Name: Whatever you want, default is Macintosh HD
    2. Format: Mac OS Extended (Journaled)
    3. Scheme: GUID Partition Table or GUID Partition Map
    4. WARNING: By proceeding with the next step, you will irreversibly destroy all the data currently stored on your iMac, including other partitions such as Windows via Boot Camp.
  4. Click Erase. When the erasure is complete, quit Disk Utility.
  5. Select Install macOS or Install OS X. You'll be guided through the installation process. When your Mac arrives at Setup Assistant, it is safe to remove your bootable installer if you used one.

    If you're offered to install a version of OS X that is older (earlier) than macOS Sierra, continue anyways. Step 7 addresses this issue.

  6. If you installed macOS Sierra onto your Mac, transfer your data from your Time Machine backup disk when prompted. Otherwise, don't transfer any data and proceed to step 7.
  7. If you installed a version of OS X older (or earlier) than macOS Sierra, visit this reply on your iMac and click here to show the hidden macOS Sierra page in the App Store. Install macOS Sierra, then use Migration Assistant on your Mac to transfer back the data on your Time Machine backup disk.


Hope this helps!

Jun 25, 2018 5:47 PM in response to Encryptor5000

Thank you for your detailed instructions; unhappily, this does not work. I held down shift option command R, getting an apple with progress bar rather than spinning globe, then started Disk Utility. I selected view all devices, then the top level drive, which is shown as SATA with GUID Partition Map, verified SMART status and child count of 2. Running First Aid on this shows no errors. I chose Erase, name SSD, Mac OS Extended (Journaled) and GUID Partition Map. Erace fails, with message Couldn't Open Device. What could I try now? I do not have another mac.

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