When will Apple add support to open source OS for the mac with the Boot Camp?
First generation iPad had a VMware (virtual machine software) running windows, Apple banned it, with current hardware on iPhone we could have android OS and their apps running in a mini boot camp.
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The Market Capitalization has no bearing on product choices. Apple may drop Bootcamp in a heartbeat.
The Mac hardware is UEFI-compliant (late 2013 and later), so you can install any OS that supports UEFI. You do not really need Bootcamp Assistant.
You can natively install Linux (Ubuntu, Fedora,...) on a Mac. For example, see How to Install and Dual Boot Linux and Mac OS .
It is interesting that you like Apple hardware enough to want to run non-Apple products on it.
The Market Capitalization has no bearing on product choices. Apple may drop Bootcamp in a heartbeat.
The Mac hardware is UEFI-compliant (late 2013 and later), so you can install any OS that supports UEFI. You do not really need Bootcamp Assistant.
You can natively install Linux (Ubuntu, Fedora,...) on a Mac. For example, see How to Install and Dual Boot Linux and Mac OS .
It is interesting that you like Apple hardware enough to want to run non-Apple products on it.
The prime reason Apple has Bootcamp is to woo people
from the Windows world to the Mac Platform.
BTW, you don't need Bootcamp to install Linux (and probably any BSD).
I had no issue installing Ubuntu on an old iMac. I just needed to create a partition
on the macOS side. I ran the installer and it installed Linux and a GRUB bootloader
and I could boot either system. Also worked for Fedora as well.
Also, on a newer Mac, you can get away with installing Windows w/o Bootcamp,
though it is not as straight forward (at least 8.1 and 10 in EFI mode).
doubt it's a priority, for people who don't need to game virtual machines works ok
you can let them know using their feedback channel Feedback - macOS - Apple
Why would you need or want Boot Camp to support Linux. Boot Camp is designed for and supports Windows. Use Linux tools or a VM to install Linux not Windows tools.
Dr. Krane wrote:
I like apple software, Apple hardware for the most part ***** and we all know it lets not kid ourselves.
There is very little difference between a standard PC and an Apple Mac from a hardware perspective. The 'secret sauce' are the customizations that Apple adds to their variants, which typically are not available to others, for example 5K displays.
Dr. Krane wrote:
As far as OS goes, I am aware that I can natively install, but wouldn't that require some custom dual boot that would compromise mac OS security?
See
About Startup Security Utility - Apple Support
About Secure Boot - Apple Support
If the other OS supports UEFI, there is no real need to modify anything. If you must, try a tool like The rEFInd Boot Manager .
The discussion between iOS vs Android, should not get commingled with macOS vs other desktop/laptop OSes discussion.
you seem not to know how virtual machines work, but they completely isolate the system they provide environment for, iPhone OS would be completely secure, it can be done very efficiently and done well, and it would make a lot of android users switch over, absolutely guaranteed
I like apple software, Apple hardware for the most part ***** and we all know it lets not kid ourselves.
As far as OS goes, I am aware that I can natively install, but wouldn't that require some custom dual boot that would compromise mac OS security?
thank you for confirming, and i know its to woo the people, and what im saying is that they can do the same exact thing with iphone, iphone hardware is much more powerful than any android and it would attract many android users to buying apple hardware
Apple hardware for the most part ***** and we all know it lets not kid ourselves.
Yes, I completely agree with you, for the most part Apple hardware absolutely rocks! Maybe they simply choose not to do what you want because they think it's not worth it. After all, you don't become a trillion dollar company by wasting effort.
Dr. Krane wrote:
...with current hardware on iPhone we could have android OS and their apps running in a mini boot camp (again just for the he'll of it, obviously they suck, but that would pyss off android community, and make 90% of their dweebs switch over)
And open the iOS device world up to all of the security risks that Apple has avoided by continuing to have proprietary software running on their devices? Why would they want to do that? We have enough issues to try to resolve on this forum without adding god knows what into the mix with iPhones running an OS that anyone can mess with.
Best,
GB
Android "experts" such as android authority themselves admit that apple CPU design is exactly two generations ahead of any latest snapdragon, and you can prove this by taking 1 year old iphone and having it beat in benchmarks the latest flagship android
Don't be ridiculous, you are defending Apple against a very innovative idea, you are part of the cult who have the sickness of policing the community against god forbid any good ideas, but if Apple actually had gone and did it, you would praise them for it, please don't be hypocritical, and please dont diss any idea that is actually good, because you know it is good, and you know that apple hardware is deficient, they take too long to integrate, and they screwup good design sometimes with something ridiculous impractical non-durable and annoying in case of macbook pro lineup (keyboard, non-removable storage, removal of the port that allowed copying of the storage onto new macbook in case motherboard failure, horrible noisy keyboard, that useless apple aluminum keyboard that costs $60 yet doesn't even have backlight and has key ghosting something keyboards had 20 years ago, etc.)
All this is the fault of the culture of cost cutting rather than innovation, this is why you only buy iphone 4, 5, 6, 7 all of which came with horrible hardware defects, and should have been buying S versions such as 3GS, 4S, 5S, 6S, 8(7S) which had all those hardware bugs fixed, however it isn't as stable with larger products that are lower volume, they do not listen to feedback, i understand that they have amazing taste in design and everything looks nice, but if something is this bad it must be reverted or fixed or changed entirely, that is not the case with macbooks.
Love your punctuation, your period key broken? Why do you think I'm defending Apple. I just posited a very simple idea: that they see no market for what you want, so why waste time doing it? No need to get all rude just because someone is less impressed with your idea than you are. And if you hate Apple hardware, what on earth are you doing here? Trolling I suppose. Oh well, I'll pass. You have a nice day.
Dr. Krane wrote:
you are defending Apple against a very innovative idea, you are part of the cult who have the sickness of policing the community against god forbid any good ideas, but if Apple actually had gone and did it, you would praise them for it, please don't be hypocritical, and please dont diss any idea that is actually good, because you know it is good, and you know that apple hardware is deficient, they take too long to integrate...
You may not hear back from Apple directly, but try Product Feedback - Apple for any innovative ideas you have.
Dr. Krane wrote:
and they screwup good design sometimes with something ridiculous impractical non-durable and annoying in case of macbook pro lineup (keyboard, non-removable storage, removal of the port that allowed copying of the storage onto new macbook in case motherboard failure, horrible noisy keyboard, that useless apple aluminum keyboard that costs $60 yet doesn't even have backlight and has key ghosting something keyboards had 20 years ago, etc.)
The logical reason to make storage un-removable is the advent of Flash storage. 2015 and older models allow storage replacement. Later models have storage on the Logic board, because third-party storage does not go through the same rigorous testing and has caused issues with users replacing modules without realizing the implications.
How to use target disk mode to move files to another computer - Apple Support works on all Macs that I am aware off including 2018 models, so the claim that content cannot be saved is not correct. There are some scenarios where it is not possible to save content, irrespective of the storage technology used, for example mechanical HDDs have similar limitations.
You have choices of keyboards, so as a consumer, choose wisely. A 101-Key USB Keyboard or a USB Mouse still work on a 2018 Mac.
Dr. Krane wrote:
All this is the fault of the culture of cost cutting rather than innovation, this is why you only buy iphone 4, 5, 6, 7 all of which came with horrible hardware defects, and should have been buying S versions such as 3GS, 4S, 5S, 6S, 8(7S) which had all those hardware bugs fixed...
Apple is not the only one with similar challenges, Samsung has had its share with Li-Ion batteries. Each generation had newer hardware, and all such are a mark of innovation, correct?
Dr. Krane wrote:
however it isn't as stable with larger products that are lower volume, they do not listen to feedback, i understand that they have amazing taste in design and everything looks nice, but if something is this bad it must be reverted or fixed or changed entirely, that is not the case with macbooks.
I still use the original MBA 1,1 (albeit occasionally) with Snow Leopard with an OWC 120Gb ZIF drive. That is a 10 year old laptop. I still have the original Mini from 2006 in working condition. These are 10- and 12- year old products. The only older laptop I have is an HP from 2003 and an OQO.
Forgot that I still have a triple-boot DECpc (Jensen Alpha) with OpenVMS, OSF-1 and Windows NT.
Dr. Krane wrote:
<snip> iphone hardware is much more powerful than any android <snip>
Very interesting and FWIW I don't believe it. Please be specific and site a source for this.
Make Boot Camp support FreeBSD and Linux source code from which it is borrowing code?
