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How to set-up a DUAL BAND wireless network.

Lots of people are reporting problems caused by replacing an existing wireless network with the new Airport Extreme 802.11n base station.

* Xbox360 compatibility.
* Airtunes issues
* 802.11n slowed down by 802.11g devices

One workaround is to set-up a dual-band network. Your old 802.11g base station looks after the older "g" devices. And the new Airport Extreme looks after the 802.11n devices.

There are a number of benefits to this solution.
* Everything that did work, carries on working. No reconfiguring needed.
* Everything works at its fastest possible speed. You can use the full 270Mb 5Ghz band for n devices.
* 802.11g traffic does not interfere with 802.11n traffic at all.
* It's easy to set up.

The downside is
* There are two boxes. I want one.

This is the diagram (again)
User uploaded file

Note that in this configuration, the new Airport Extreme base station is set-up in Bridging Mode.

Glyn

Mac Pro + Powerbook G4 + Intel Mac Mini + iMac G3, Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Posted on Feb 11, 2007 2:16 PM

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Feb 14, 2007 7:36 AM in response to Glyn Williams1

Ok, will do and I'll get back to 'ya.

Bottom line is what I want to do soon is:

When iTV arrives I want to have my Media files "Referenced" in iTunes on the G5
But have them actually on the Media Server hanging off the AP 'n' disk.
Thinking I may have a way to pull in Movies etc., directly into iTV with a 'n' network.

I seem to remember being able to pull in media files into iTunes without bringing the actually file into the iTune host computer.

I'll try the bridging on the APExpress.
Thanks tons.
Tom

Feb 14, 2007 12:19 PM in response to Glyn Williams1

Glyn, regarding the iTV trip.... The way I'm thinking is that the actual content data stream will only be between the 'n' HD hanging off the AE 'n' and the iTV.

I'd like the iTunes on my G5 to look at the "movie" in the 'n' HD but not hold the actual file. Think of it as a referenced file as opposed to a managed file.

Now, I'll need iTunes for the iTV so Im in hopes to goes....

iTV ----- Reads iTunes --- requests movie from 'n' HD via iTunes --- streams between the 'n' HD and iTV

Again, iTunes on the G5 would simply be a manger or traffic cop in this topology. Wadda think?

Feb 14, 2007 12:25 PM in response to Tom Aellis

Yeah that'd work.

Personally I don't love how iTunes manages TV & Movies yet.
Tagging multiple shows is a pain - and AVIs will not import.
Non MP4s (movs) will not sync with iPod etc.

So at the moment I have a server media drive. I put an alias to the media drive in "Movies" - and now all this content is accessible through FrontRow. Including AVIs etc.

Feb 14, 2007 12:36 PM in response to Glyn Williams1

So that would give us watching movies, pictures etc.... a rocket fast connection all on the 'n' band.

I never got a glimse of what iTV would look like... Is it a Front Row on your TV set? Do you have one coming?

Personaly, I love the Apple products, Aperture makes my life a lot better for shooting RAW images which I only do.

Wanna thank you again for all you do on this thread. i've built the largest ATM network and Was the first to build DWDM fiber in the Metro but I had major problems in my own little Lan. too funny.

Tom

Feb 16, 2007 12:27 PM in response to Glyn Williams1

Let me apologize in advance for a really stupid question--but just want to make sure:

Can the n network and the g network have exactly the same network name?

I would think so since there is no radio interference, and it'd greatly simplify the setup since I then don't have to change the settings in any of the computers that get on the network.
Thanks.

Feb 16, 2007 1:00 PM in response to Glyn Williams1

So,
I realize this is deviating from this a bit, but I have a bridged, dual bang network like this setup fine.
However, I also have a 3rd station setup to extend the network of the base (5Ghz n only) station - and have problems:
The extender sets up fine, finds the 5G network (or the 2.4 if I wanted), has good connection (108-216 average) - but whenever a client goes into it's range (versus the base) and picks it up I can no longer browse the internet!
If I renvew my address I get a private address only - the issue obviously that gets me off the net- even though the extended station is on BRIDGE mode (like the wired 2.4) and has a valid IP from the base, on the correct scope).

I swapped stations, so I know the unit isn't defective - it's reproducible.

I'd appreciate some tips or feedback - or maybe see if someone else has tried this extending (not WDS) which apple describes in the 'designing airport networks' doc - and got it to work?

Thanks!
Dan

Feb 16, 2007 1:23 PM in response to Glyn Williams1

I've just purchased one of these units and am facing the same dilemna; having initially set up two networks (one for my g/b and one for my n) I think I want to set it up so that the 802.11n router extends my airport express but only on the 5 GHZ range (you can block B/G access) will have to test this but think it might do the trick. Anyone else try this? Am I nuts?

Feb 16, 2007 6:04 PM in response to Glyn Williams1

Thanks for pointing me at the dual band network. This really is magic. I had all sorts of problems hooking my old ibook to the new 11n base station. So, I set up a dual network, such as the one in the diagram, and now everything is working much more smoothly. All my non-11n computers were either not connecting or connecting only after much prodding, but now they have their own 2.4Ghz network in the 11b/g protocol and everything works as well as before I replaced the base station. My core 2 duo MBPro is on 11n and its own 5Ghz network and it is nice and fast. The only thing I did differently from the diagram in this thread is to hook up my cable modem to the 11n base station and put an ethernet cable between the two base stations. IN the diagram the cable modem is hooked up to the old base station. I have also hung two airport expresses onto the 2.4 GHz network, and they work fine. ( I had to reset them to make 'em work again.) Not only that, but the MBPro can stream iTunes between the two networks. Each network has its own name, and the old computers can't connect to the 5GHz network. All magic. Works like a dream, and I have a use for my old basestation. Also I have a 500 Gig usb hard drive hung on the 11n basestation, and it works great. The speed difference in transferring files is very apparent between an old G3 ibook on the 2.4GHz network and the MBPro on the 5GHz network.

iMac Intel Core Duo, Macbook Pro Core 2 Duo Mac OS X (10.4.8) Airport Extreme 802.11n, airport express (2), cable modem, two printers

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