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Time Machine is full?

Hi all,


MyTime Machineext drive is full.


Trying to work out what to do about it. I’m not buying another bloody ext hard drive.

Can I delete everything up until 2018—or something like that—to get space back?I mean, I’m sure there’s nothing different version-wise, pre 2018, that I’d need to recover. Whatever is on the Mac's internal hard drive is what I need to keep.


But perhaps I'm misunderstanding what Time Machine does. I assume this:


I think it does a big backup the first time, of everything, then after that, only backs-up stuff that’s changed and is new/added—I THINK. It’d make sense to me.

So if I delete everything from 2014 will I lose most of my files, or is it intelligent enough to keep all the stuff from 2014 that never changed?

Thanks

John

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Posted on Sep 18, 2018 8:45 AM

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Sep 19, 2018 8:47 AM in response to johnnyivan

I think I might be beginning to understand how this system works. Is this right or wrong? (I suspect No.2 is correct)


Let's say that I first backed-up on 1st Jan 2014. When Time Machine is full and starts automatically deleting the oldest backups to make space, does it:


  1. Delete absolutely everything that was in the original initial Jan 1st 2014 backup of my whole hard drive—and then subsequent backups of changed files, one after the other (not good)
  2. Or keep the files of the entire original 1st Jan 2014 backup of the whole hard drive that haven't changed since then until now, and deletes only the next subsequent backup of the various files that did change since then? (I'm fine with that)


(my brain's in knots)

Sep 18, 2018 9:01 AM in response to johnnyivan

Leave it alone, Time Machine is designed to erase the oldest backups in order to make space so there isn't anything for you to do. However it wise to have a backup drive that is at least 2-3 times the size of the data you are backing up. Also, all HD's fail, so depending on the condition of your EHD at some point you will need to replace it. If you do decide you want to get a larger EHD you can move the data on your existing EHD to the new one. This isn't very difficult to do but you will need instruction so feel free to reach out when that time comes for help.

Sep 18, 2018 1:44 PM in response to johnnyivan

I have been successful at deleting some of the oldest entries in Time machine.

It will give you back some memory but it is a V-E-R-Y slow process indeed, and to even think of doing this several times could take hours, unless your Mac is really fast.


What I did was select “Enter Time Machine” in the drop-down.

Then on the right side, go up as far as you can and click on the oldest backup you can click.

After the window opens look for the cog wheel (the gear thingy) and in there you can "delete this backup".

You will need to enter your password to proceed.

Is it worth it? Probably not. ReFormat, Erase and start a new. Your call.

Unless there’s something way back in there that you really might want to recover some day.

Have you ever needed to recover anything?

If so, then it's buy another drive.

Sep 19, 2018 12:47 AM in response to TTabby

Hi TTabby,


It's tempting to wipe it. I wonder what the odds are of my disk drive iMac HD going belly up, while wiping the solid state Ext HD... It'd be an incredible coincidence.


I have 3 partitions on my Ext hard drive, 2 of which are called 'Windows' and 'The Rest'. They seem to be useless and empty. They actually still take up space and are a waste of hard drive. It'd be great to reformat.


When I use the Time Machine timeline on the right of the screen, I can hover over a backup (presumably that's what it is) and it highlights red, but there are no options for doing anything at all with it. No cog-wheel, and right-clicking and double-clicking does nothing.


The 'today (now)' nav item with up and down arrows also does nothing. Dead.


John

Sep 19, 2018 6:44 AM in response to johnnyivan

Yeah Hi,


1. The ‘wiping’ of the Ext. HD is a simple process with Disk Util.

Just hit Erase, and the fact that it is an SSD, it should be an even quicker process, and it’s done. Just select the drives’ Name and Erase.


2. When you ‘hover’ over the oldest backup (the one at the top of the list on the right ) you actually have to LEFT click on it (NOT right click or double click) to get the window to open. This new window will show you everything that was backed up on that date.


The date will be listed along the top and in that window you will also see the cog wheel icon under that . Left click it, and in the drop-down, select delete backup. Then enter your password and the process will begin.

Note; there is very little feed back during the process, no progress strip and does not even tell you when it is done, as I recall. Actually, you can select 2 or 3 and hit delete each time and it will delete concurrently, one after the other but again it is a slow process and patience is required.

Also; it all happens in the background (so to speak) and you can go about doing other things with your computer while it does what it does, so you don’t have to sit there and wait.


Again, it is a very slow process for me here, but perhaps that it’s an SSD, it could be quicker for you.


The up-down arrows do work here, and allow you to step forward and backward in time, to each backup.


I hope this clears things up a bit.

Let us know if it works out for you.

TTabby

Sep 19, 2018 7:24 AM in response to TTabby

Hi again TTabby,


For some reason, it is actually working now. When I click the back up, it rolls to that finder view. And the up/down arrows are working too.


I see that the 'cog' icon is in the top of the finder window.


I feel like I should back up my int. HD on the cloud or something before I wipe the ext. Time Machine HD.


That's a lot of Gigabytes.

Sep 20, 2018 3:05 AM in response to johnnyivan

Like I said, unless there is some item, in some distant backup, on your External drive that you may need some day, erase it and just start over.


Yes, you will not have a backup until you restart Time Machine again, on the (now) empty External but after the first backup (which is that big long one) you will be all backed up again and TM will start backing up again, hour after hour.

Each new backup only backs up things which has changed, from hour to hour.

At the end of the day it groups it all together for that day.


Is your Mac perhaps very old? and you have worries it may die?

Erasing an External Drive has little or no stress at all on the Internal drive.

They are quite separate.


For that 1 or 2 hours that it should all take (at the most) it is quite unlikely that your Internal will fail at this time.

There are many who have no backup scheme at all.


Myself, I have a slow WD external for TM and is almost full too btw, and then another faster HD which I back up nightly using Carbon Copy Cloner which does an auto shut down when done. Then I have an auto start at 6AM for the next day. 2 backups are always much better than one.


So, don’t overthink this too much, and/but perhaps research it else ware, until you feel confident about how to proceed (google is your friend) Ask at Mac Rumors too.

It’s not that big of a deal, really.

Good Luck

Sep 19, 2018 9:21 AM in response to johnnyivan

Well, now you are trying to delve into the specifics of how it does what it does, and I am not able to give you details which I do not know about.

So to your last question, I do not know.


All it says in the documentation is, “The oldest backups are deleted when your backup disk is full.”

It does not tell us the details and that is probably because the developers like to keep those things a secret.


One would think that if it “deletes the oldest backups when your backup disk is full”, we have nothing to worry about and it will endlessly take care of everything on it’s own.

Perhaps, there is nothing to even worry about at all.


So, you could just wait until it “tells you” it is full and then decide what to do.


That’s about all I know with this, and that Apple link above explains it all quite clearly.

Sep 20, 2018 3:04 AM in response to SeaPapp

Mike—thank you!


That explains it all very well. Its actually what I've all along hoped it did.


Similar to aliases, the most recent backup shows you a picture of EVERYTHING in a FInder-like view that is backed up. Some of those files you're viewing may have been backed up 4 years ago and never changed since—and some an hour ago. But it's all together.


It keeps your original old initial backup of EVERYTHING and every file that's changed or added from then on. But when it inevitably runs out of space, it starts to delete the oldest files that had been changed and backed-up. Eventually, files that are no longer on your local current hard drive will have their old backup versions deleted too.

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