Buy RX 560 GPU to install Mojave on Mac Pro (Mid 2010)?

Does 6 monitors require extra power?


MSI Gaming Radeon RX 560 128-bit 4GB GDRR5

“Powers 3 dispays”--- So I will just buy (2) to power my 6 generic 23” monitors

"Requires very little power"-- 60w power consumption—Recommended PSU 400W.

“No cables” --just draws from PCI slot.


Would it be a benefit to buy a card that requires a power cable? Would that provide some relief for the MP 5,1 PCI slot?


Currently I have a pair of 5770’s that work great w FCPX and power my 6 monitors with only a few minor issues. I think RX 560 will be a big step up and allow as well as allow me to upgrade to Mojave/Metal.


I don’t need a lot of GPU power for my daily computing. Im not a gamer and only edit 1080p on FCPX. Just concerned 6 monitors might cause “card crashing” “over clocking” or any power issues taxing my computer performance.


Fry’s has about 3 of these are are all about the same. I think this is the (560) Apple recommended card listed above. Can anybody verify this?

https://www.frys.com/product/9331460?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG


🙂 Thank you for your help. So thankful my old cheese grader can run Mojave/Metal. Wait, is this thing metal supported? Im so confused????

Mac Pro, macOS High Sierra (10.13.6), 3.46GHz (5,1) 6 core (48G RAM 1333)

Posted on Oct 19, 2018 10:49 PM

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Posted on Oct 29, 2018 9:24 AM

@KidVid

Yes each PCIe slot has 75W allocated to it.

Each of the two PCIe power cables from the Mac Pro logic board provides 75W, this means the maximum available to a single card is 75W + 75W + 75W = 225W. For two cards you could either have one with up to 225W and the other at 75W or both at 150W.


The Mac Pro power supply provides in total a maximum of 980W this is divided between the four PCIe slots, the two PCIe power cables and the rest of the computer e.g. hard drives, DVD drive and the rest of the logic board.


Running two video cards just from their PCIe slot based power is perfectly fine if that is all they need.


This would appear to be the video card Apple are suggesting - Amazon.com: MSI Gaming Radeon RX 560 128-bit 4GB GDRR5 DirectX 12 VR Ready CFX Graphcis Card (RX 560 AERO ITX 4G OC): Co… which is the same as your link.


Looking at the MSI product page here - Specification for Radeon RX 560 AERO ITX 4G OC | Graphics card - The world leader in display performance | MSI Global it says it only needs 60W which is amply covered by the PCIe slot power of 75W.


This card will not support the Mac (pre)boot screen and hence will not support using FileVault, it will however according to Apple's article support installing Mojave.

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Oct 29, 2018 9:24 AM in response to KidVid

@KidVid

Yes each PCIe slot has 75W allocated to it.

Each of the two PCIe power cables from the Mac Pro logic board provides 75W, this means the maximum available to a single card is 75W + 75W + 75W = 225W. For two cards you could either have one with up to 225W and the other at 75W or both at 150W.


The Mac Pro power supply provides in total a maximum of 980W this is divided between the four PCIe slots, the two PCIe power cables and the rest of the computer e.g. hard drives, DVD drive and the rest of the logic board.


Running two video cards just from their PCIe slot based power is perfectly fine if that is all they need.


This would appear to be the video card Apple are suggesting - Amazon.com: MSI Gaming Radeon RX 560 128-bit 4GB GDRR5 DirectX 12 VR Ready CFX Graphcis Card (RX 560 AERO ITX 4G OC): Co… which is the same as your link.


Looking at the MSI product page here - Specification for Radeon RX 560 AERO ITX 4G OC | Graphics card - The world leader in display performance | MSI Global it says it only needs 60W which is amply covered by the PCIe slot power of 75W.


This card will not support the Mac (pre)boot screen and hence will not support using FileVault, it will however according to Apple's article support installing Mojave.

Oct 24, 2018 11:02 AM in response to KidVid

Hi KidVid! Sorry for the belated response, I didn't see your post until just now. Based on the link to the GPU you provided, it looks like the card is indeed Metal capable and should, in theory, allow you to run Mojave on a "cheese grader" Mac Pro. However, I have not seen any reports of anyone attempting to run two cards, but again, in theory, it should work.


I would buy one to begin with and test to make sure all is well, then buy a second.


Hope it helps!

Geotrax

Oct 26, 2018 8:43 PM in response to KidVid

Hello once again. In theory, there should be no issues with running 3 displays on each card. The PCI-e Power cables are not necessarily to "give the PCI a break" but just to provide more power in general. Graphics cards have become vastly more power efficient over the last 8 years, and the RX-560 is not a power-hungry card. The Dual 5770s you have were mid-range cards at the time, and midrange cards usually require PCI-e power cables.


Hope it helps!

-Geotrax

Oct 27, 2018 7:53 AM in response to KidVid

I wonder if each PCI slot is good for 75 watts?

Yes, that is what I was trying to say. Each (and every) PCI-e slot can provide 75 Watts to its card, independent of all other slot-cards.


The Aux cable provides 12 Volt power. If required, that power helps power the Graphics Processor Unit.


Display data and control signals are much lower that 12 volts, and do not depend on Aux power. To the best of my knowledge, there is no graphics card that is number-of-displays limited by power or any other factors, except for the subtle limit to the number of non-DisplayPort family displays Vs. higher-voltage "legacy" displays I described above.

Oct 26, 2018 7:36 PM in response to Geotrax

🙂 Geotrax is right. Newer cards take less power and are more powerful/efficient. I read that the RX560 is 60w power consumption—Recommended PSU 400W. I don’t know how much power my cheese grader PSU has and hope plugging two RX560’s into the PCI to run six monitors will be ok without using those power cables in currently using.



🙂 Grant- It looks like the 560 has 1 DVI and 2 HDMI ports each. I have ordered

“HDMI v 2.0 2160P 4K x2K HDR 240Hz 4:4:4 18Gbps HDTVcables.

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I will use the ACTIVE adapters and DVI that I used from my current 5770 cards.


Ill guess ill find out when I pick up the cards this weekend. I just hope this is the 560 card is the one Apple was suggesting. Fry's sells several versions of this same 560 card.


https://www.frys.com/product/9331460?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

🙂 Thank you

Oct 26, 2018 8:44 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Yes, but i'm installing two of these cards on the PCI to run 6 monitors and there is no power pigtail option. That was my question. Am i pushing the PCI to hard despite this card being more efficient?


I wonder if each PCI slot is good for 75 watts?


Currently my 6 monitors are being powered by (2) inefficient 5770 cards that each use a power cable.


Does anybody know if this is the RX 560 that Apple is suggesting for chese graders?


https://www.frys.com/product/9331460?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Oct 25, 2018 10:46 PM in response to Geotrax

Yes, it is discouraging that no one replied my questions. Thank you for reply. 🙂 I will pick up the (2) cards after church on Sunday. Apple specify said the 560 card need to be a:


MSI Gaming Radeon RX 560 128-bit 4GB GDRR5”


It is very confusing how many versions of “RX 560 128 bit 4GB GDRR5” there are at Fry’s. This is the one I hope is supported by Apple:

https://www.frys.com/product/9331460?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG


This card don’t require the power pig tail cables my two 5770 cards are currently using. They will each pull their power off of the PCI slot they are pushed into. Because I am using 2 cards for 6 monitors it seems like it would be to much for the poor PCI. I just wonder if I should look at cards that use the power cards. After all-- I think the power cords are to give the PCI a break.


Any thoughts or recommendations? I wonder how much a PCI can take and how much these cards take while running 3 monitors each?? Thank you 🙂

Oct 26, 2018 10:14 AM in response to KidVid

Only "Mac-Edition" cards and certain specially-flashed cards will show "Boot screens". So the first screen you will see on such a card will be the login screen (or the desktop if you auto-login).


Modern graphics cards have enough power at appropriate levels to run up to six (in some cases) DisplayPort family displays. To use more than two "legacy" interface displays on a card, you will need some ACTIVE adapters.


HDMI was invented for consumer-quality HDTV, 1920 by 1080p, and using it at anything higher takes special consideration and occasionally special cables, and sometimes it still refuses to perform.

Oct 26, 2018 8:31 PM in response to KidVid

The PCI-e is said to be good for 75 Watts, and each 6-pin Aux cable, if needed, is good for another 75 Watts each. If your card only needs 60 watts, you are good to go with just PCI-e Bus power.


When cards are underpowered, you find out when you stress the card. All the processing units kick in, and the power supply gets overdrawn and the Mac shuts off.

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