picture folder vs iphoto library

Hello
I am a bit confused about the way photos are saved in Mac. I have iphoto6. Now, I understand how the library works (or overworks) by putting all photos in the library, and additionally by "roll" (1 picture can be a "roll", interesting) and then again by topic and then again by year. With all these different places where the same photos are, is it creating 4 copies of each photo, one copy in each location? If so, is there a way to stop this? I want just one location for one picture (there are too many places it is putting things). I want my picture to be in 1 place and not taking up space in other places. Is there a way to
1) get it to stop making rolls every time I add a new photo or delete rolls altogether?
2) delete all the "years" folders too?
2) when a photo is moved from the overall library into a subject folder can I remove it from the overall library? It still retains a copy in the overall library folder.
I just want my photos in 1 place, not in 4 different folders. It is too confusing.
Also, sometimes I add photos into the "pictures" folder in the finder. I notice these do not always show up in iphoto library. Why is this? Maybe I am not understanding how iphoto works, but I just want 1 folder to put all my pictures in and not have duplicates taking up space.
Thank you.

mbp intel dual core Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Posted on Feb 19, 2007 6:43 PM

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Feb 19, 2007 7:25 PM in response to bnewcol

Your pictures are stored once, inside Pictures/ iPhoto Library, in folders based on the "rolls" created when you import into iPhoto. They are not duplicated where you see them listed in the Source Pane by year or by Albums you designate (topic?). Albums merely tell iPhoto which photos to display together; they do not duplicate your files. A photo can be in 10 albums or no album. To see your entire iPhoto library "inventory," that is, each photo once and only once, choose Library from the Source Pane.

To understand the structure of the iPhoto library, look at a diagram by lori_diloreto: http://homepage.mac.com/loridilo/.Public/iPhoto6.jpg

Note from the diagrams that there are 2 or 3 versions of each file in the library. These are not duplicates, and each file is important. Your original, full-sized photos are stored inside the Originals folder. They will not be changed when you edit or export a photo; iPhoto always preserves them. Edited versions are stored in the Modified folder. They are linked to the original version so that you can always discard your edits and revert to the original version. This is the version control at the heart of iPhoto. Each file you import also has a small thumbnail version in the Data folder. The thumbnails are displayed when you view your library in iPhoto, which allows the application to run efficiently. In order for iPhoto's database to perform properly, you must Import into iPhoto, and always use iPhoto to access these files (never access them from the Finder!).

1) You can't stop it from creating a new roll, but you can go to View > Sort Photos > by Film Rolls and edit your rolls. To move photos to other rolls, select one or more pictures, then drag to the name of a roll until it becomes selected, then drop. Or select photos and use the menu to choose File > Create Film Roll to place those photos into their own roll. Any roll that becomes empty will automatically disappear. With a roll name selected, you can also change it's title, date, or comments by typing inside the info pane (lower left corner of iPhoto window). You can get your rolls organized however you want, as long as you do it from within iPhoto.

2) The years are automatic Smart Albums, which you can not turn off. They do not cause duplication in your library. They are just a short cut for finding your photos. If you don't want them listed in your Source Pane, click the little triangle beside the word Library. The triangle will point to the right, and the year albums will be out of view.

3) By "subject folders" I assume you are referring to the Albums that you create. A photo must be in your library in order to have it in an album. If you delete it from the library, it will be removed from all albums, slideshows, books, etc. The file is in your library once; your albums simply point to those files.

4) Adding photos into the Pictures folder does not import them into the iPhoto library. It is fine to place items in Pictures, as long as you stay out of the folder named iPhoto Library. You might have image files that you don't want saved in iPhoto for some reason. [I keep digital scrapbook pages, but I don't want them in iPhoto, for example.]
Saving files directly into the iPhoto library folder is not recommended, will not correctly import the file into iPhoto, and could cause damage to the library. Note the Golden Rule of iPhoto: Do not tamper with anything in the iPhoto library folder from inside the Finder.

Want to find your photos so you can upload to a website? You can select photos from inside iPhoto, File > Export > File Export to a desktop folder, choose that folder for uploading, and trash that folder when done. Or right-click on a photo's thumbnail and choose "Show File" from the contextual menu. A Finder window will open with the photo selected.

Apple has a nice iPhoto tutorial at http://www.apple.com/ilife/tutorials/iphoto/

Please feel free to post back with further questions or if you'd like clarification on any of the above.

Feb 21, 2007 11:41 PM in response to Smtr

Smtr- I would also like to thank you for the excellent description. I have a relevant question - If I double click a photo in iPhoto to open the photo in Photoshop Elements, for editing, I would like to save the result back in iPhoto but am not sure how to do it. Do I have to save it to the desktop then import it into iPhoto as a separate photo, or is there a way to get it back into iPhoto as a modified photo?

Paco

Feb 22, 2007 1:41 PM in response to Yer_Man

Hi TD:
By golly, you're right, that does work. I think I was trying to use "Save As" and of course it was trying to save to a different location.

Thanks for your help. I haven't been using iPhoto much, up to now, because my HD was too small, but a new 120gb drive has changed all that and iPhoto looks like a great way to organize my photos.

Paco

Jun 17, 2007 9:01 PM in response to Smtr

Help, I think I've broken the "golden rule of don't do". I thought I'd organize my folders and had forgotten this post and renamed folders in the iPhoto Library folder within the Pictures folder in the Finder. I kept the dated years folders, but renamed some folders within there to organize instead of having all the "roll 56, roll 67" etc. So now, in iPhoto, the photos are still there but when I click on them to blow them up or edit, there is a blank holding spot with an excalmation point. I think it's because I probably screwed up the path and it can't find them anymore. I don't remember the roll names of the folders I renamed, any ideas on how to undo this or am I stuck? It is not the end of the world, as I have these photos in another computer that I can edit them in, but for future reference, just wondering. If it is possible. Thank you.

Jun 17, 2007 9:41 PM in response to bnewcol

It may be possible to reverse the damage, as long as it hasn't corrupted your database. However, it requires you to break the golden rule again - tamper in the iPhoto Library folder and put things back the way they were. Be very careful not to change anything else, or you could make things worse.

Open 2 Finder windows. Set them to column view, placing one above the other so that you can see both at the same time. Navigate one window to the folder you changed. I presume that is Pictures/ iPhoto Library/ Originals.... In the other Finder window, navigate to Pictures/ iPhoto Library/ Data. I also presume that you did not tamper with the folders inside the Data folder, since your thumbnails still display in iPhoto. Since the Data folder is created automatically when you import photos into your library, its contents should match the contents of your Originals folder exactly. Same years, same roll-based folders, same photos, same filenames. The only difference is that the photo files are the tiny thumbnails, and not the full-sized originals. Use the structure of the Data folder as a guide to help you correct your Originals folder.

The Modified folder should look a lot like the Data and Originals folders, except that it only contains years, rolls, and files that have been modified. So, elements may be missing, but the items that are there should have the same structure as the other 2 folders.

When you restore the correct name to a folder, iPhoto should again be able to locate the photos in that roll. If you are able to reverse the damage (meaning if you are both careful and lucky), then it may be a good idea to do a library database rebuild when you are finished. Hold Option and Command while you launch iPhoto. Check the first 3 boxes in the dialog, then Rebuild. If the library looks good after the rebuild, then chances are that you won't suffer further damage as a result of all this tampering.

Jun 18, 2007 6:49 PM in response to Smtr

OK, I got the Originals folder all back to normal, and pictures opening up again in iphoto, except for modified pics. I had renamed stuff in the modified folder and I cannot figure out how to rename by cross referencing with the Data file. Aren't the files in the Data file only the same as the Originals folder or will the same names in the Data files be used for the Modified folders as well?

Jun 19, 2007 3:50 PM in response to bnewcol

HELP! I BROKE THE CARDINAL RULE OF iPHOTO

Being a recently converted PC user, I wanted to organize my picture folder so that I could upload pictures to facebook easier. So I organized all the files in the Data folder which included deleting folders and rolls etc. Now my iPhoto is almost unusable because it is so slow. I think it is because the thumbnail pics are full size files now. Is there any way to undo the damage I've done by reinstalling iPhoto and re-importing all my photos? I'm using iPhoto 6.0.6.

Help!

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Jun 19, 2007 4:07 PM in response to calash

calash,

Welcome to the Apple Discussions.

Do not reinstall iPhoto, as the problem is inside your library, not the application.

When you changed things inside your iPhoto Library folder, did you only change the Data folder? Or did you change the Originals and the Modified, as well?

If you only changed the Data folder, you can try having iPhoto rebuild it. Hold Option and Command while launching iPhoto. Check the first 3 options in the box, then Rebuild.

If that doesn't help, you may have to create and populate a new library. Post back with your results and we'll go from there.

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