iphoto and icloud dimensions and size clarification

hi all --


can someone please share with me what the essential differences between a photo in iphoto and the same photo in icloud.


im noticing that there is a reduction in size and dimensions for the photos i have in icloud verses the exact same one in iphoto.


does this mean there is a reduction in overall quality? all the info seems to be the same but the dimensions and size.


is there a way to revert the icloud photo to the same size and dimensions of the original?


hoping for some wisdom on this question,...


thanks... .

MacBook Pro with Retina display, OS X El Capitan (10.11.6), 13

Posted on Nov 6, 2018 8:42 PM

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Nov 7, 2018 6:37 PM in response to markwmsn

thanks for the info.... can you please tell me how i can upgrade to high sierra from el cap through apple?


on the topic id did use the conversion tool and the size was still different. it was closer...


photo app 2.5mb

icloud 788KB (this was dragged off of icloud on to desktop) not sure if this thumbnail size...

image unmodified HEIC 1.5MB through HEIC conversion tool


look all of my confusion asde, what am i missing here?. i ve taken a crash course on HEIC/V info. my 8+ (11.4.1) was set to "automatic: in the photo settings.


when i used the photo.app (v1.5) in el cap i tried to download 8000 photos only 2000 or so made it (the others has asset problems) of the 2000 about 1000 or so show this type of issue. (see below) thats 1/2 an iphone case.


all i care about is making sure that the ones that are in the cloud are the same as the original ones that i shot on the phone.


i am beyond thankful for the help, just want to know my photos are okay. i dont plan on using the photos.app again until im upgraded


User uploaded file

Nov 7, 2018 11:11 AM in response to markwmsn

The documentation for iCloud Photos does not mention the size limit for edited photos.. And I do not remember, that it used to be this way previously. For me, this behavior is very surprising. I am getting the same result as you observed, when downloading from wwww.icloud.com with Firefox.

If it is intentional, it should be mentioned here: https://help.apple.com/icloud/#/mm6db8290fc4https://help.apple.com/icloud/#/mm6db8290fc4

Click the Download button User uploaded fileto download the most compatible version of the photo or video.

The most compatible version will be in a standard file format, JPEG for photos and MP4/H.264 for videos. This version will also include edits made to the photo or video since it was added to iCloud Photos.

The size limit of 2048 pixels width or height is the same as for Shared albums, and there it is documented: Use Shared Albums in Photos - Apple Support

When shared, photos taken with standard point-and-shoot cameras, SLR cameras, or iOS devices have up to 2048 pixels on the long edge. Panoramic photos can be up to 5400 pixels wide. You can share GIFs that are 100MB or smaller.

Nov 7, 2018 11:31 AM in response to Radium88

Hi thanks. So are all iCloud photos HEIF?

Not necessarily. iCloud Photos (Library) is storing the original photos in the format that they have been uploaded to iCloud.

If you are now having HEIF media in iCloud Photo Library, your iPhone may be set to record the photos and videos in the HEIF format. An iPhone with iOS 11 or iOS 12 can handle HEIF; and if the model is iPhone 7 or newer the camera can record directly in this format.

If you want to stick with more compatible media formats, set the iPhone to record the media in a more compatible format: Using HEIF or HEVC media on Apple devices - Apple Support

Nov 7, 2018 3:52 PM in response to Radium88

Your 2011 MacBook Pro cannot run macOS Mojave (10.14). According to the Mojave technical specs document https://support.apple.com/kb/SP777?locale=en_US the oldest Macs that can run Mojave are from mid-2012.


It can run macOS High Sierra (10.13.x), which can run on "MacBook Pro (Mid 2010 or newer)" according to the respective tech specs https://support.apple.com/kb/SP765?locale=en_US and can handle HEIF/HEIC/HEVC files. Whether your 2011 MBP is otherwise up to the task of running High Sierra, I couldn't say.


Also, I've done a little more testing to convince myself that iCloud Photo Library stores full-resolution images and conveys them and their edits among devices:

I took a picture on my iPhone X (back camera, 3024x4032) and let it upload to iCloud Photo Library.

On my iMac (Mojave with Download Originals enabled), it downloaded as an IMG_xxxx.HEIC file at 3024 × 4032.

On the iMac, I made some distinctive edits with Markup and tone controls, then let the edits upload.

On my MBP (also Mojave but with Optimize Mac Storage enabled and likely full enough to need noticeable optimization), it again downloaded as 3024 × 4032 with the edits intact.


I'll leave you in léonie's capable hands for troubleshooting the apparent corruption and partial transfers.

Nov 6, 2018 9:51 PM in response to Radium88

Try downloading the unmodified original from iCloud (by clicking-and-holding on the download icon and selecting unmodified original from the resulting dialog box. In my quick test, that gets me a full-resolution version.


I don't know why, but the default (or explicitly chosen "most compatible including edits") download is limited to 2048 pixels on the long side. If that fact is documented somewhere, I haven't found it yet. I also don't know how to get a full-resolution download that includes edits.

Nov 6, 2018 10:10 PM in response to markwmsn

i have a feeling you are correct with that. however it downloads as a HEIC file and am unable to open it using preview.


however in my test this what happened.


original iphoto image: jpg 2.5MB 4032 x 3024

icloud same photo: 788KB (just normal download maybe as you mentioned "default with edits" 2048 x 1536

icloud unmodified 1.5MB HEIC file (document) no dimensions.


not sure how to open a HEIC file... (btw running el cap)


thanks so much for your time. i have to step away until tomorrow -- for work etc but if you have any additional thoughts would love to hear them.

Nov 7, 2018 11:39 AM in response to léonie

oh Man so I need to change the behavior?


The problem is that a great number of my photos did not download and had assett problems. (Almost 6000) I have them all in iCloud but wanted them in iPhoto as well....


I’m okay with not getting them in iPhoto if I know my iCloud photos are the same quality as the original. This is why I’m concer

Nov 7, 2018 12:10 PM in response to léonie

Thank you so much appreciate the responses and information.... so essentially what I am understanding is that the quality is the same it’s just that my current os can’t read an unmodified file.


Can I ask you another question is it safe to run iPhoto repair? Just wondering if that may fix some of my corrupted partially greyed out photos.

Nov 7, 2018 12:23 PM in response to Radium88

Can I ask you another question is it safe to run iPhoto repair? Just wondering if that may fix some of my corrupted partially greyed out photos.

A repair can help with a library corruption, but you should always be cautious and make a backup copy of the library, before you try to repair it. If a library has a corruption, that is beyond repair, then trying to repair it can make the damage worse.


And when you repair a library, do it only on a volume with plenty of free storage. Repairing or rebuilding can temporarily increase the size considerably. The file system of the drive should be MacOS Extended (Journaled).


iPhoto has several First Aid repair/rebuild options. The first option to try is the repair of the permissions. Only if that does not help go for the repair of the database.

Nov 7, 2018 1:31 PM in response to léonie

So I’f the default in photo app is set to automatic (compatible) and not original would that make a difference in how iCloud reads the file?


From your experience what should that setting be? Automatic or original?


I’m really scared of messing up my library. I thought everything was cool but the transfer only accepted 1/3 of my photos from my 8+ iOS 11 and of that 1/3 about 1/2 were partially greyed out.


Which is why I thought okay we are good because of my iCloud backup. But when I compared 2 photos just for kicks (one from iPhoto and one from iCloud the sizes were different which led to the question inquiry.


So at this point I’m not sure what do to. I want to upgrade my os but not sure how my mbp 13 2011 will handle that and I’m also afraid of losing my photos.


I can backup my iPhoto library on an external if necessary first.... Before any steps. Ultimately would love to transfer everything to the cloud.


All that being said all this is happening because I upgraded to the max and want to make sure all my photos on my 8+ are downloaded safely so I can wipe this phone and give it to my carrier.

Nov 7, 2018 7:14 PM in response to Radium88

id like to add that i just discovered my camera app (8+) was set to format high efficiency. not sure if this contributing to the problem or not. i can see why its not readable with el cap. that makes alot of sense.


if i change that back to most compatible will all my photos download as such? or are they already in the HF mode and tagged as such...

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