Disappearing MIDI regions?

I have been working on scoring a short film using Logic, and lately have been getting some extremely strange behavior from all things MIDI. Most troublesome, though, is that entire regions have been going missing. They'll be there when I save at the end of my session and be completely gone when I return a few hours later. So far, three huge regions have disappeared, one yesterday and two today.

Once in a while, though, I'll hear one of the missing parts played at the wrong part of the piece and in the wrong instrument, though the MIDI data is nowhere to be found in the entire session.

A friend of mine who works on this same computer said she also experienced this, and the regions magically came back about a week later. Unfortunately I don't have a week to wait, and I don't want to rely on chance. Any help would be MUCH appreciated.

Thanks.

PowerMac G4 Mac OS X (10.4.9) Dual 1.25 GHz, 512 MB RAM

Posted on Apr 28, 2007 5:15 PM

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Apr 28, 2007 6:51 PM in response to MIDImeg

Ouch!

What version of Logic are you running? (Please add this in your profile, it helps with troubleshooting).

I've had similar behavior, with regions ending up on the wrong track, but not disappearing regions. This had to do with bad behavior from the 'delete unused tracks' function.

But in this scenario I have the feeling that you've accidentally hidden those tracks using the ol' hide function. Make sure your key command to hide tracks isn't easily pressed. If necessary, re-program it to be something difficult to invoke accidentally, like CMD OPTCNTRL-H as a precaution.

The other thing that could have happened is that you accidentally sized your track height to be so small that it's virtually invisible. If this is the case, look for the key command that resets the vertical zoom height of tracks and use that command to restore all tracks to the same height.

Logic doesn't exhibit any behavior that I'm aware of where after a fixed period of time, like a week, where some attribute of Logic's display gets restored. I think there's a more [ahem] logical explanation for this behavior. ;-)

Apr 28, 2007 7:11 PM in response to iSchwartz

Sorry, I'm running Logic 7.1.1.

The tracks themselves are still there, EXS instruments still loaded, automation still there, etc, so the track isn't hidden and the height isn't too small. Just the regions themselves are gone. None of the delete functions have hotkeys assigned to them as this is a student computer, and that could be disastrous.

It's very strange. I save, everything is there. I walk away for two hours. I come back and open the project, and it's gone before I even touch the keyboard. I was wondering if it might be some sort of memory issue, either RAM or harddisk memory.

It seems more likely that someone has messed with a paramater somewhere, since this computer is used by no less than 20 people on a regular basis.

Apr 28, 2007 7:21 PM in response to MIDImeg

OK, let's try a few things...

1.
• Turn Cycle off
• Select a track that contains one of the missing regions
• CMD-C copy
• Create a new track with the same instrument, select it (natch) and then use the "paste at original position" command (note that this command is different from regular CMD-V paste). See if your regions show up on the new track.

= OR=

2.
• Cycle=off
• Select All (CMD-A)
• Use the "pack folder" command
• Enter the folder and see if your missing regions appear there

Lemme know if either of those things work.

-=iS=-

Apr 29, 2007 6:54 PM in response to iSchwartz

I have gotten these "missing regions" where whole parts of my song disappear; even my BACKUP songs would also have the same disappearing regions, making a return to my old song impossible. This would only happen after I saved my project and re-open it later, just as you describe.

I have no solution to how to bring the regions back, but I narrowed my problem down to the following bug in the matrix editor, which I've documented in this thread: http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=767597#767597

long story short, the problem occurs for me when I am editing multiple tracks in the matrix editor, upon which trying to drag/extend/copy/paste multiple parts at once will sometimes result in an error message. When you click "ok" it looks like everything is fine, but under the hood logic has had a major problem and when you come back to the same song, regions will be missing. The only solution I've found is to continue off an older, unaffected version.

Because of this I now "save as" frequently and avoid editing multiple tracks in the matrix editor (you can view them, but double click the part you want to edit BEFORE you edit it). Sometimes in the heat of the moment I forget and will edit multiple parts at once. When the bug happens, I export all midi data and re-open an older song, paste in the data and continue.

Hope this helps.

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