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Q: Pismo not booting, no chime

Hi all,

Let me get right to it. I have a pristine Pismo that I have been trying to upgrade in to a "modern" workhorse. Ever since I bought it, it has worked perfectly. Not a single problem.

Several days ago I purchased a Samsung ATA-6 100GB HDD to replace the stock 6GB HDD. I went through the process of installing the hard drive and replacing all the removed parts carefully. When I went to start the laptop, nothing happened.

I am basically having the same problem Joe had ( http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=612184 ). The laptop will not turn on. The hard drive will not spin, nor will any fans. The keyboard will turn on though (the Caps Lock and Num Lock lights will come on when pressed).

So, here's what solutions I have tried ...

1. Zapping PRAM
2. Unplugging internal battery
3. Unplugging keyboard and trying to boot
4. Removing Airport card and trying to boot
5. Removing and "correctly" seating processor card (about 20 times)
6. Removing memory (one at a time)
7. Exchanging the new HDD with the old HDD
8. Trying to boot with HDD disconnected
9. Pressing and holding the reset button for 30 secs.
10. Pressing reset button, waiting 5 secs., and trying to boot

Also, I know the power adapter is working (I booted my Wallstreet with it after my Pismo problems).

I don't believe the DC/Sound card is the problem as power is sent to the keyboard (seems logical). My thoughts are either the logic board or the processor card became fried or damaged (I have no idea how).

I am looking for any suggestions / solutions before I start spending money.

Thank you in advance,

Nick

Pismo   Mac OS X (10.4.9)  

Posted on May 5, 2007 7:39 PM

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  • by junkyardmax,

    junkyardmax junkyardmax May 10, 2007 8:09 AM in response to NickGZ
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    May 10, 2007 8:09 AM in response to NickGZ
    When you saw the internal battery, do you mean the PRAM battery? (located just outside the cage for the processor card on the lower right, best seen with keyboard off and right expansion bay empty).

    A bad PRAM battery wil often not let you fire up, but disconnecting it will let you startup in some cases.

    Other culprits are:

    1) bad AC Sound Boards (you've probably experienced this with the Wallstreet, I know I did...) (But if you are getting a caps lock light and you are running only on AC power, then this probably isn't it)

    2) bad Power Manager Board - this is is the guys thatkeeps the batteries charged - a quick check is to see if the batteries are being charged when computer is off and plugged into AC - (looks for the indicator lights on the battery - they'll light up on their own while being charged)

    3) bad MoBo - just went through this on my service call Pismo, only I could get it to power up for a few seconds before it shut itself down. Best recommendation for this is to go over to eBay and buy a complete lower half of a Pismo from a reputable seller (one with a no doa guarantee) and transfer over the new hard drive, processor, memory, battery, optical drive, etc. While you have it open, always a good idea to replace the PRAM battery - just make sure you get one that already has the connectors attached because they are a pain to splice and shrink tube (Been there) - I got some reasonably priced Newer-branded ($22 or so) PRAM batteries about six months ago from OWC and they work fine.

    Having the right tools always helps - a proper take-apart guide, T-8 torx screwdriver (about $4.00 at Sears), a #1 Phillips (three screws), a glue stick (for dipping the head of the T-8 driver to bettter hold the little tiny screws so they aren't bouncing all over the kitchen floor) and blue painter's tape to tape the screws on the part they came off of because after a while, you just can't remember where they all go - also very helpful for bottom case screws - I just fully loosen them and then apply a piece of tape over the whole trapping the screw in it's proper location. Success is not judged by if it works when you are done, but by whether or not you have any pieces leftover!

    Hope this helps
  • by NickGZ,

    NickGZ NickGZ May 11, 2007 9:16 AM in response to junkyardmax
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    May 11, 2007 9:16 AM in response to junkyardmax
    Junkyardmax,

    I did mean the PRAM battery and I have tried to boot with it unplugged (with the same results). The PRAM battery itself is brand new, so even though I didn't suspect it, I still tried booting without it.

    My battery does light up when plugged in to the laptop, so that's not it. Oh well.

    The motherboards and processors are cheap enough on eBay that I will just have to go that way. It's just weird that everything works one second and the next you have hardware failure.

    Anyways thanks for your help!

    Best Regards,

    Nick

    Pismo, Mini   Mac OS X (10.4.9)  
  • by jpl,

    jpl jpl May 11, 2007 9:49 AM in response to NickGZ
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    May 11, 2007 9:49 AM in response to NickGZ
    Nick,

    There are several components that can be involved in a no-boot:

    DC/sound card
    power supply card
    logic board
    microprocessor

    If you can find a "headless" Pismo or an inexpensive working Pismo for parts, it may be cheaper in the long run than trying to guess the failed part.
  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder May 11, 2007 9:58 AM in response to jpl
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    May 11, 2007 9:58 AM in response to jpl
    These PowerBooks have VGA-style Display output on the back, so you can use any old display to get them going.
  • by NickGZ,

    NickGZ NickGZ May 12, 2007 9:41 PM in response to jpl
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    May 12, 2007 9:41 PM in response to jpl
    jpl,

    With the symptoms I've had (Caps Lock key on, battery lights on) could it still be something other than the CPU or logic board?

    Thanks,

    Nick

    Pismo, Mini   Mac OS X (10.4.9)  
  • by jpl,

    jpl jpl May 13, 2007 8:24 AM in response to NickGZ
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    May 13, 2007 8:24 AM in response to NickGZ
    Nick,

    I would remove the microprocessor card again and carefully examine the multi-pin connector on the bottom side with a magnifying glass...look for any bent pins. I only suggest this since you have done such a thorough job of troubleshooting. A bent pin can prevent the full seating of the card and/or its proper operation.

    When you seat the card, do you hear a click as it snaps in place? If not, make sure the top memory module is removed, then press down very hard on the right side next to the HD and closest to the palm rest.

    Since the 'book worked prior to the HD replacement, and you removed just the CPU card + HD...and I had to guess...it would seem logical that the microprocessor card is the problem. Possibly it suffered a static discharge as you were handling it during the swap.
  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder May 14, 2007 8:27 AM in response to jpl
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    May 14, 2007 8:27 AM in response to jpl
    The official word on the bottom memory slot on the PowerBook G3 series (of which the Pismo is the high end) is that it is a factory-only memory slot. Only Apple-certified technicians are supposed to remove the processor card.

    I am not trying to malign your technique, only to point out that Apple sees seating the processor connector as troublesome, and did not want mere mortals to be removing it because it was trouble to get it back together again correctly.
  • by NickGZ,

    NickGZ NickGZ May 21, 2007 12:25 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    May 21, 2007 12:25 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
    A little update ...

    I replaced the processor card and viola; everything worked. Sort of.

    Now all of a sudden, my hard drive is not recognized when I try to install Panther. So frustrating!!!

    So now I am going to purchase a new hard drive cable / sled. Hopefully that will end my endless problems. Thanks for all your help guys!

    Best regards,

    Nick

    Pismo, Mini   Mac OS X (10.4.9)