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Image jumping and computer crashing (related prob)

The problem is happening on a iMac DV with CRT screen, slot-loading, never upgraded the RAM (64) or HD (9Gb), or OS (OS 9.0), never changed parts, bought new in 2000.

I turn the computer on and it works fine for a while. Sometimes the screen's image moves all by itself, resizing itself in geometry with no prior warning or nothing seems to trigger it, sometimes several times in a row (and it can be frightening when one is focused on little details on the screen and can't rely on it). So at first there was just this screen wriggling around, but the image didn't move drastically, it always filled 98% of the screen. And the "reset to factory" button in the Monitor control panel doesn't reset it to make the image on the screen match the screen's limits, it just makes it look wrong (not distorted though, just not aligned or escaping outside the boundaries of the screen) but always the same "wrong". Yet it wasn't crashing more than usual. Once the computer is off, it sometimes made a little sound like "ft, ft". That was also new.

And now it has started to just crash after a while. Sometimes it crashes and the screen is functioning perfectly, resulting in "just" a freeze. Sometimes the image moves and wriggles about and it crashes while it's doing that, or this is what makes it do that (I think the screen problem is what makes it crash most of the time).
And today it crashed in another way: everything went black, just like when there are power surges (these things happen here now and then), only there wasn't a power surge.

Now when I restart it, the image sometimes moves uncontrollably, faster than usual, and makes bigger and bigger leaps each time (and it powers all the way up less and lss often, and runs for less and less time each time, but sometimes I get to actually DO something with the computer before it crashes).
Previous uses were normal, there was no coffee spilled onto it, it didn't roll downhill, it has sat on the same desk for 7 years... I just read DVDs on it that are from different DVD zones or PAL and then NTSC, but could it have caused it? Somehow I get the feeling that if the screen stops being haunted, the whole computer will work perfectly again (but it's just vibes, I'm no technician).


So my problems are:
1)-PAIN-Does it risk to blow up in my face? I'm not particularly a coward, but I've seen enough Tex Avery cartoons to know I don't want to look like the dog that smoked a dynamite bar.

2a)-DATA-Is there something I could do, to try to get it to work long enough to back up my data (tried PRAM, didn't seem to make a difference)? After all, I just need it to completely start up and remain started up, and since USB drives and disks don't need plugins, it wouldn't bother me to start off another system if that could help anyhow.
2b)-Also, is it safer to just take it apart now and turn its HD into an external one that I would be able to read on the other computer I have (and only then get my data back), or is it okay for me to power it up repeatedly again and again, and try, and try, until I can either backup my datas or burn them? Or would it make the computer risk going KA-POW or FSCHHH more easily? Links to turning the iMac's HD into an external Hd are welcome.

3)-BTW-Anyone selling a used external Hard Drive by the way? 9 Gb is all I need and I'm low on cash ("and desperate").

4)-EVER AFTER-Okay, so let's say, IMAGINE, I back up my data safely yet under pressure, and still want to use this computer (need to have OS 9 at home), could it be repaired? If yes, how...?
Or as one person said on another post, remove the HD and just sell it for parts on eBay? But then, what computer would you advise me to get to run OS 9 on it, one that's old enough to not be too expensive - around 30, 60 $ - and yet recent enough to not risk doing the same thing after 2 months?


Hope my message isn't too boring to read, I always try to be thorough after I see some people who post way too few infos and annoy everyone.

Thanks very much in advance to anyone who can help me out of this annoying problem... It feels really bad to have 9Gb of more-or-less mysterious/invisible data that would be better off saved and known safe.

Fabrice

iBook G3 + iMac G3, Mac OS 9.0.x, Both lime!

Posted on May 7, 2007 6:55 PM

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May 9, 2007 12:31 AM in response to FabulousRice

Ok. I would definitely stop using it, this sounds incredibly weird. Richard (spudnuty), if you could supply any information on possible deadliness in the CRT? Like I said before, you seem to be the expert on this.
As for question #2, yes, it is much safer to take it apart and backup from there. Buy a cheap USB or FireWire enclosure (about $35) and take out the hard drive from the iMac, connect it to the enclosure (I never put them actually in the thing, there's a bid overheating risk) and copy all the documents you need to your iBook.
And for question #4, you'd do best to sell the parts. I doubt that this is repairable. It sounds like the CRT is going all screwy lewy on you, and replacing it would involve a ton of deadly voltage. Try eBay for a used iMac. This problem shouldn't happen with very many other old ones, and it's extremely unlikely it would happen to you again.

May 9, 2007 7:29 AM in response to aqua-star

Well thank you very much aquastar for your reply.
I was desperate to get some help...

About this passage:

take it apart and backup from there. Buy a cheap USB or
FireWire enclosure (about $35) and take out the hard
drive from the iMac, connect it to the enclosure (I
never put them actually in the thing, there's a bid
overheating risk) and copy all the documents you need
to your iBook.



Could you please be a bit more specific about this? On:
1-How to take it apart (maybe a link to a website explains it, and safety measures etc?)
2-What is an "enclosure" and will just any "enclosure" do? And where do I get it? eBay? I have no idea of how to do the whole thing. Will the HD still be usable as an external HD?


It sounds like the CRT is going all screwy lewy on you



Would it explode or just set the inside of the computer on fire? There's a risk the screen being screwy would damage the data inside the HD?

Thank you very much for your reply and forgive me for not knowing anything ... 🙂

May 9, 2007 8:43 AM in response to FabulousRice

Ok. 1: Here's your guide. http://www.macworld.com/2001/10/bc/howtoimac/
Safety measures are basically just touching a piece of grounded metal before going inside the computer, so as to protect the computer from a static shock.
2. An enclosure is basically a metal box that has HD connections and a USB or FireWire port. What you do is take out the HD from the iMac, plug the appropriate cables on the enclosure into the HD, and using a USB or FireWire cable, plug it into your iBook and turn on the enclosure. It's pretty straightforward. You can probably find them at places like OfficeMax or even Amazon, although since you're on a budget maybe you should try eBay.
And as for the CRT, I have no idea what it could do. It probably won't damage the HD, but it would be pretty hard to backup if it kept crashing, right? 😉

May 9, 2007 10:09 AM in response to aqua-star

Thanks so much...
The taking apart process looks scary but I'll try to work it out.

2. An enclosure is basically a metal box that has HD
connections and a USB or FireWire port.


So all enclosures are the same size and will fit this particular HD?


plug the
appropriate cables on the enclosure into the HD



Wow, I'm sure I'd need another guide for that step, experienceless as I am...


And as for the CRT, I have no idea what it could do.
It probably won't damage the HD, but it would be
pretty hard to backup if it kept crashing, right? 😉



Yes, it would. I am just worried about having it blow up in my face while restarting it, actually. You said the user "spudnuty" could help? Maybe I should forward him this link...

Thanks very much
Fab

May 9, 2007 10:39 AM in response to FabulousRice

You'll need to buy a 3.5" aluminum enclosure, because that's the size your HD is. Make sure not to buy a 2.5" laptop drive enclosure, because this won't fit your HD. And there are 2 cables - it's not that hard to figure out. One is big and long, and goes into the big and long port on the HD. The other is about an inch long, and goes into the inch-long port on the HD. You'll figure it out. 🙂
I'm not so sure what will happen wiht the CRT. I mentioned spudnuty because I know that he works on a lot of CRTs, and often posts in this forum 🙂

May 9, 2007 6:57 PM in response to aqua-star

Hey Fab,

I like the "dog with the dyanite cigar image" but I think this is unlikely.

I feel like the "flyback transformer is going out on this machine. Either that or one of the high voltage capacitors or often both. Either way same result: the high voltage goes wacky,the picture jumps all over the place and ultimately the video will go out. Sometimes it dies a slow death,changing color or slowly dimming. Sometimes it goes black with a loud snap.

1st test- connect a VGA monitor to the spigot that's under the iMac. Behind the oval perforated grill. Just pop that out- use a flat bladed screw driver or butter knife.
People are tossing out CRT monitors like crazy in the US you can usually find them for free. If the video on that is OK you're good to go. If it's also wacky it still might be OK after iMac dies. Often the power to the logic board may still be OK and you can use the iMac with the external monitor.

1st point - I have never seen an iMac die in such a way that the data on the HD was corrupted or irretrievable. I gave my parents (in their 80s) a tray load iMac running OS 9.2.2. I set it up in August when we were there on vacation. My brother visited them for Thanksgiving and was shocked to see they had forgotten how to turn it off. So to turn it off they were just pulling the plug out of the wall!
BUT:
To be safe you should put your iMac into "Target mode" and use a FireWire cable to transfer the data to another Mac. This can best be done with another Mac running OS 9xx but it can also be done with one running X using Carbon Copy Cloner (free download).

Plan A: find another FireWire iMac. I have bought them here in the US for $20-$35 especially if they are without a keyboard and mouse. Use the FireWire and Target Mode to rescue your data and reformat your new drive with your original install disk. Or use CCC to clone your entire HD to your new machine before the old one dies.

If the iMac dies with no logic board power you'll be doing the external HD thing discussed here or pulling it and putting it into a tower to retrieve the data.
Hope this helps let me know what happens.
Richard

Image jumping and computer crashing (related prob)

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