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May 19, 2007 9:08 PM in response to Linda Cohenby Pe Bakk,The keychain is where the computer stores all of the passwords (among a few other things) you told it to remember. When Finder is showing in the menu bar, click the Go menu and select Go to Folder. In the Go to Folder box type the following and press Return:
~/Library
Look for a folder called Keychains. While holding the Option key on your keyboard, drag the Keychains folder to your Desktop. This will create a backup copy of your Keychain folder on your Desktop.
Now make that Keychain message appear and allow it to do what it's asking. If it messes anything up (and I don't think it will) you can always drag the Keychain folder from your Desktop to ~/Library and tell it to overwrite the new files.
If you want some help troubleshooting the actual Mail issue, then it would help if you could type any error messages in here exactly as they appear on your screen. -
May 20, 2007 4:34 AM in response to Pe Bakkby Linda Cohen,The keychain is where the computer stores all of the
passwords (among a few other things) you told it to
remember. When Finder is showing in the menu bar,
click the Go menu and select Go to Folder. In the Go
to Folder box type the following and press Return:
~/Library
Look for a folder called Keychains. While holding
the Option key on your keyboard, drag the Keychains
folder to your Desktop. This will create a backup
copy of your Keychain folder on your Desktop.
Now make that Keychain message appear and allow it to
do what it's asking. If it messes anything up (and I
don't think it will) you can always drag the Keychain
folder from your Desktop to ~/Library and tell it to
overwrite the new files.
If you want some help troubleshooting the actual Mail
issue, then it would help if you could type any error
messages in here exactly as they appear on your
screen.
Hi, Thank you for answering my e-mail. The actual message that I get states "Mail has been updated. Do you want to allow the new version to access the same keychain items (such as passwords) as the previous version? This change is permanent and affects all keychain items used by mail." If I hit don't change it then it asks me for the password for account smtp.mac.com. When I enter my password it will not accept it. I used to get my mail from my .Mac account but I did not renew .Mac again. Now I want to get my mail and be able to send my mail from my Road Runner account. I have been using AOL as my e-mail account. Since I do not know what I am doing and it will not accept my password I am concerned I will really get myself into trouble. Thank you for your help. Linda
IMacG5 Mac OS X (10.4.3) -
May 20, 2007 8:47 AM in response to Linda Cohenby Pe Bakk,Hi, Thank you for answering my e-mail. The actual
message that I get states "Mail has been updated. Do
you want to allow the new version to access the same
keychain items (such as passwords) as the previous
version? This change is permanent and affects all
keychain items used by mail."
What this message tells me is you installed a new OS X update that changed the Mail application some way. For security reason, the OS wants to make sure that the change is something you wanted done. In this case it's completely safe to allow it to change the keychain. See if that corrects the problem.
The only time it wouldn't be is when you are positive that no new updates have been installed, and that you have not manually installed some software that might affect the program in question.If I hit don't change
it then it asks me for the password for account
smtp.mac.com. When I enter my password it will not
accept it. I used to get my mail from my .Mac account
but I did not renew .Mac again. Now I want to get my
mail and be able to send my mail from my Road Runner
account. I have been using AOL as my e-mail account.
Since I do not know what I am doing and it will not
accept my password I am concerned I will really get
myself into trouble. Thank you for your help.
Linda
If allowing the changes don't correct the issue then it's probably best to check your outgoing mail server info with Roadrunner.
Open Mail, cancel any error messages, then click the Mail menu next to the blue apple. Underneath it click on Preferences. In the Preference window click the Accounts icon at the top. In the Accounts preferences make sure the affected account is highlighted blue on the left. Att he bottom on the right side, click the button that says Server Settings.
Now call your ISP and ask them what those settings should be. ISPs are typically scared of Macs, so you may have to treat them like scared child. Just let them know you're looking at your outgoing mail server settings right now and want to confirm you've entered the correct settings. Then read what it says in there to them. If they tell you to change it, then change it.
Let us know how it goes. -
May 20, 2007 6:16 PM in response to Pe Bakkby Linda Cohen,What this message tells me is you installed a new OS
X update that changed the Mail application some way.
For security reason, the OS wants to make sure that
the change is something you wanted done. In this
case it's completely safe to allow it to change the
keychain. See if that corrects the problem.
The only time it wouldn't be is when you are positive
that no new updates have been installed, and that you
have not manually installed some software that might
affect the program in question.
it's probably best to check your outgoing mail server
info with Roadrunner.
Open Mail, cancel any error messages, then click the
Mail menu next to the blue apple. Underneath it
click on Preferences. In the Preference window click
the Accounts icon at the top. In the Accounts
preferences make sure the affected account is
highlighted blue on the left. Att he bottom on the
right side, click the button that says Server
Settings.
Now call your ISP and ask them what those settings
should be. ISPs are typically scared of Macs, so you
may have to treat them like scared child. Just
let them know you're looking at your outgoing mail
server settings right now and want to confirm you've
entered the correct settings. Then read what it says
in there to them. If they tell you to change it,
then change it.
Let us know how it goes.
Hi, Once again thank you for taking the time to answer my e-mail. The only thing that really concerns me about changing the keychain is since it will not accept my password now and if I click to change it then I will not be able to get back into anything on my computer. I do run the software updates and have upgraded whenever it tells me to. I have run the security updates a couple of times in the last few weeks. I have OS X 10.4.9 now. I just do not understand why it will not accept my password now since I used it to dowload the updates. When the technician was here to install the router he had me put in all of the correct addresses for Road Runner mail in mail preferences. Of course he was not too familiar with a Mac and could not help me solve my problem in sending e-mail. Thank you for helping me. Linda -
May 21, 2007 5:10 AM in response to Linda Cohenby Allan Sampson,The only thing that really concerns me about changing the
keychain is since it will not accept my password now and if I
click to change it then I will not be able to get back into anything
on my computer.
Not true - this is for the Mail application ONLY. The following was copied from one of your previous posts in this thread.
The actual message that I get states "Mail has been updated. Do you want to allow the new version to access the same keychain items (such as passwords) as the previous version? This change is permanent and affects all keychain items used by mail."
"Mail has been updated and this change is permanent and affects all keychain items used by mail"
As the error message you provided indicates - this affects the Mail application ONLY so select Change All when prompted with the Keychain message and move on.
The password for .Mac's authenticated SMTP server isn't accepted because you didn't renew your .Mac account so your .Mac account information should be removed from System Preferences > .Mac under the Account tab and remove .Mac's SMTP server from the Mail application. -
May 21, 2007 3:25 PM in response to Allan Sampsonby Linda Cohen,Hi, I just wanted to update you on what is happening. I did follow your instruction and accepted the change and of course that did not do anything. I contacted roadrunner and they could not help me. They told me to call Apple. I did that and a very nice woman had me delete the .Mac account in the mail preference settings but I still cannot send e-mail from my road runner account. She said that she was not familiar with road runner. I can send e-mail from the mail account from Apple which I think is strange. I guess I will have to take my computer back to the Apple store and see if they can help me. Thank you all for taking the time to try and help me. Linda -
May 21, 2007 3:32 PM in response to Linda Cohenby Allan Sampson,I can send e-mail from the mail account from Apple which I think is strange.
Sorry but you've lost me with this. Does this mean your .Mac account which has expired?
I'm also a RoadRunner customer and I access my RoadRunner email account with the Mail application with no problems. I also have a .Mac account and I used RoadRunner's SMTP server to send messages with my .Mac account when connected to the internet via RR when at Home.
What is the exact error message provided when trying to send a message with your RR email account and SMTP server?
What settings are you using for RR's SMTP server - all settings? -
May 21, 2007 7:00 PM in response to Allan Sampsonby Linda Cohen,I can send e-mail from the mail account from Apple
which I think is strange.
Sorry but you've lost me with this. Does this mean
your .Mac account which has expired?
I'm also a RoadRunner customer and I access my
RoadRunner email account with the Mail application
with no problems. I also have a .Mac account and I
used RoadRunner's SMTP server to send messages with
my .Mac account when connected to the internet via RR
when at Home.
What is the exact error message provided when trying
to send a message with your RR email account and SMTP
server?
What settings are you using for RR's SMTP server -
all settings?
Hi, I do not receive an error message when I try to compose an e-mail when I am in RR web mail. It just shoots a blue line across the internet address on top and nothing happens. I can e-mail when I go into the mail icon on my desktop which I guess is a apple program and when I sent a test e-mail to another e-mail address it showed it coming from my RR address. When I spoke to the woman at apple about my problem she had me discard my keychain that was in my folder. Now I get an error message that says "A keychain cannot be found to store Safari. Then it tells me to either cancel of reset to defaults. I am not sure what to do about that. My RR SMTP server is set for outgoing smtp-server.tampabay.rr.com. The technician set up my settings. Once again thank you for trying to help me. Linda -
May 21, 2007 9:50 PM in response to Linda Cohenby Pe Bakk,Hi, I do not receive an error message when I try to
compose an e-mail when I am in RR web mail. It just
shoots a blue line across the internet address on top
and nothing happens. I can e-mail when I go into the
mail icon on my desktop which I guess is a apple
program and when I sent a test e-mail to another
e-mail address it showed it coming from my RR
address.
So from what it sounds like, you can send and receive email just fine when you click the Mail icon in the Dock (that's the bar with all the icons that is usually at the bottom of your screen). When you send email from in the Mail program, and someone receives it, it shows as coming from your Roadrunner account. If I understand, you are also saying that you do not get an error message about sending (or receiving) emails from the Mail program. Is that all correct?
If it isn't, I would like you to ignore everything that has gone on before, and everything that we have asked you to do and explain exactly what you do, step by step, from the time you turn on the computer until you can get the problem to occur.
I think we've all gotten confused as to what exactly it is you need assistance with. Sometimes that happens when we're trying to help numerous people.When I spoke to the woman at apple about my
problem she had me discard my keychain that was in my
folder. Now I get an error message that says "A
keychain cannot be found to store Safari. Then it
tells me to either cancel of reset to defaults. I am
not sure what to do about that.
If that was all she had you do, then she's missed a few steps. I can walk you through exactly how to fix that but I want to make sure I understand the full extent of what's going on before I do that.
I'm sure eventually we can get this sorted out for you. -
May 22, 2007 7:16 AM in response to Pe Bakkby Linda Cohen,So from what it sounds like, you can send and receive
email just fine when you click the Mail icon in the
Dock (that's the bar with all the icons that is
usually at the bottom of your screen). When you send
email from in the Mail program, and someone receives
it, it shows as coming from your Roadrunner account.
If I understand, you are also saying that you do not
get an error message about sending (or receiving)
emails from the Mail program. Is that all correct?
Yes that is correct.I think we've all gotten confused as to what exactly
it is you need assistance with. Sometimes that
happens when we're trying to help numerous people.
I am sorry if I confused you. I am a grandma that is not a computer expert. I taught myself how to use a computer several years ago and I am still learning about them. I have always had dial up with Verizon and wanted to hook up to something faster. I have always used AOL so Road Runner is a totally new thing for me.When I spoke to the woman at apple about my
problem she had me discard my keychain that was in
myfolder. Now I get an error message that says "A
keychain cannot be found to store Safari. Then it
tells me to either cancel of reset to defaults. I
amnot sure what to do about that.
If that was all she had you do, then she's missed a
few steps. I can walk you through exactly how to fix
that but I want to make sure I understand the full
extent of what's going on before I do that.
She had me take the log in keychain folder and put it in the trash and also another plain keychain folder in the trash. She also had me minus out the .Mac account in the mail settings in Mail. That is all that I remember her doing with me. That is when I discovered I could send e-mail through apple mail. When I told her that I could still not compose mail in the Road Runner e-mail she told me to take my computer into the Apple store as she could not help me any further.I'm sure eventually we can get this sorted out for
you.
I have decided since I have confused you on what my problem is that I will take my computer to the Apple Store and let the genius help me. Thank you for trying to help me and taking the time to answer my e-mails. Linda
IMacG5 Mac OS X (10.4.9)