Is it possible to test the PCI bus?

Is it possible to test the PCI bus on a quicksilver G4?

I bought a quicksilver 2nd hand and don't recall getting hardware test discs with it. I run OS9 which I do have a legit copy of.

I'm running an application called Pro Tools which uses PCI cards, they have started to fail on an app called Digitest due to TDM transmission errors, no TDM clock detected. The 3 cards worked ok and suddenly they don't. It won't be till next week at least till I can test those cards on another machine and till then I'd like to know if there is any way of testing the PCI bus itself.

If the bus is at fault does that make this G4 ready for the knacker's yard?

I'd be grateful for any advice.

Quicksilver Power Mac G4, Mac OS 9.2.x

Posted on May 26, 2007 10:15 AM

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May 26, 2007 10:22 AM in response to rubberlug

In case it's relevant, the way the cards are seated are:
1=Display card
2=PCI card 1
3=PCI card 2
4=PCI card 3
5=SCSI card

In Apple System Profiler though the PCI slots are listed in the following order:
SLOT-1 (AGP) Display Card
SLOT-3 PCI Slot
SLOT-4 PCI Slot
SLOT-5 SCSI card (2)
SLOT-2 PCI slot (6)

I don't recall if they were always listed in that order.

May 26, 2007 10:13 PM in response to rubberlug

Hi,
It looks like you have all the PCI slots full. Is the SCSI PCI supplying a SCSI Hard Drive?
You may be overloading the PCI slots available power. Those four slots can only supply 15 watts each or 45 watts in total. A SCSI HDD can use 20-30 watts all by itself, not leaving much for the other three slots. You might get errors if you are using all four slots simultaneously.

You might try removing the PCI card that you use the least, see how it behaves.

Regards,
Dave

May 29, 2007 5:08 AM in response to rubberlug

Hi, I was using these cards like this for a good gouple of years with no problem. The only thing that has changed is that the machine sat for approx 6 months without any use. I can't shake this feeling that somehow this is connected. Up untill December 2006 it had heavy use in a hot atmosphere. Since then it sat in the corner of my bedroom for 6 months not switched on once.
On the surface everything seems to work ok, keyboard OS etc. I don't have an interface at this moment to test the cards with so can't tell how they would affect a real world situation.

Jun 1, 2007 6:00 AM in response to rubberlug

Just jumping in here... I'm an old ProTools user, always on a mac. A TDM bus error is related to the digi cards, most likely not the Quicksilver. I would suggest checking/reseating/replacing the ribbon cables that connect the farm cards to the core card. They are notoriously fickle cables and connectors. A TDM clock error means the cards aren't communicating with each other properly. Another thing you could do is try to isolate your problem - remove the farm cards (which you're probably using for extra tracks or effects), run just the core card and see if you have problems. I would suggest moving the core card to a different slot and testing it there, but I think that you have to have the core card in the lowest numbered slot. If your core card runs stably, then add one farm card and see what happens. Then add the other, and so on. There is also a meter in protools that shows pci bus activity, as opposed to processor activity, and it would be really relevant to monitor that if you suspect the pci bus. Sometimes simply pulling all the cards out, disconnecting the ribbon cables, and reconnecting everything fixes these types of problems.
And, finally, sorry to say, sometimes the cards go bad for no reason at all, and you have to spend money to fix them.


G4 Quicksilver Dual 800 Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Jun 2, 2007 12:36 PM in response to rubberlug

Hi rubberlug,
I had the same problem. I pulled out the farm card and digitest core card passed the test. when the farm was put in place again, test did not pass on both the cards. strange thing is that farm card passed the test when core card was removed. But nevertheless Digidesign specify to run the test with all cards and interfaces plugged in and powered on. with farm card removed core card works fine. with the farm in I keep getting DAE error 1 and 4 and digitest fails on both cards and for the same two DSP. I guess farm is gone bad... But I too was wondering if there's a PCI bus test. Did you solve your problem or find any way to check PCI bus?
ciao

Jun 4, 2007 5:51 AM in response to rubberlug

This all started with an interface I bought of ebay, I've just tested that in a studio against a working rig and now know it to be faulty. It looks like I'll have to try and get my hands on a known working unit and start from scratch again as it could be that. May take a week or two.]

Thanks for the AHT link. I'll have to look at getting my hands on OSx for powermac G4 and creating a dual boot to use them.

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